Do the gassers really have 700+lb.ft of torque at 2000rpm? Forgive my ignorance, but if the goal is to pull a 20K load, I assume that a big bad diesel is the only way to do it reliably for tens of thousands of miles. No?
I would be happy with 18mpg. That would be 1mpg better then my 01 got new (stock). Now I average 12.4 with a 14.5 every now and then. . The best either of my 6.0s ever got was 16.5.
Mileage seems to be all over the place with the same types of vehicles on this site. Some 6.4s seem to have close to similar numbers as 6.0s. BTW, my 6.0 can average over 20 at times. I think it's possible for Ford to achieve that, but we'll see in a half year or so.
I'm hoping it's a good truck, but I have to say that the prices seem to have gone way up since I bought my 6.0 in '06 with less than 30K on it, I think it means I keep my 6.0 for a few more years! For sure, looking at the current prices helps me like my current truck even more!
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I think it's possible to get over 20mpg. The DEF catalyzes the diesel combustion, so makes it burn less than it otherwise would. I don't know if you can say DEF is technically a catalyst, but that's how it works.
Just like how Ethanol will be the catalyst on Ford's Bobcat engine.
I have to laugh at the thought of a prius accelerator being stuck. . . how scary can that be?
Timmy
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2000 F-350 CC LB 4x4 6 spd Hmax: headgaskets, valve springs and stage II singles. back to H2E, Terminator Big Oil, Dp tuner, CPRX fuel system, oil bypass kit, Ceremetalic clutch, Procomp 6.5" lift, 05 Front end, 37's on 20's. Guages.
I have to laugh at the thought of a prius accelerator being stuck. . . how scary can that be?
Timmy
A Prius has plenty of giddyup, even if many of the operators of said vehicle don't demonstrate it.
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2004 E-450 6.0 139,000 miles
7,500 mile, 15 quart oil changes, 5W-40 Rotella.
UOAs consist of checking for metal on drain plug magnet. All stock, no mods. Dyed fuel with no additives. Never been reflashed.
Total parts replaced;
one EGR valve.
If you can get similar torque and MPG numbers from a gasser for several thousand cheaper than a big bad diesel that has been choked by the EPA, and even sounds and smells like a gas motor, it makes you wonder how loyal the diesel crowd will be.
Either way, lots of exciting news for Ford while Toyota is facing it's largest recall ever because they cannot properly design a floor mat.
For us diesel guys it's not all about how much torque, it's about WHERE the torque is available. The 6.2 has something like 435 lb/ft of torque, which is 10 lb/ft more than my old 7.3 has, but it's at 4500 rpm. My 7.3 makes peak torque at 2k rpm. At 60 mph I am cruising at 2k rpm, so my peak torque is much more useful there than it is at 4500 rpm. The sound and smell of the diesel can be fixed pretty easily too. There is a video on youtube where a ford engineer is talking about the sound of the old diesels compared to the new 6.7 and he made the 6.7 sound just like the old 7.3 by pressing a button that changed the programming.
You also forgot the recent recall on the Toyota Tundra's where they had to buy back how ever many millions of them had the frame rotting issue. No matter what kind of shape the truck was in they had to buy it back at 150% of book value for excellent. One of my coworkers bought one for 5-6k and ran it to over 200k miles and it was about to fall apart. Toyota gave him 10,500 for it.
If the all new 6.7L PSD can match the 7.3L PSD in mpg, then I will be in line for the 6.7L...in my new 2011 SD. I actually think it might be possible due to the DEF system. What will also make a huge difference will be the axle gear ratios offered. Just like with the Build #3 2008 SD with the 6.4L PSD. They actually increased mpg with a higher gear ratio. Of course with those taller gears...can a decrease while towing.
On another Powerstroke board a guy who said he talked to the engineers on the project said they were getting 17/22 MPG.
Anyone else hear this??
I would assume thats a 2WD but still those are pretty impressive numbers..
What do you mean another powerstroke board
I'd be skeptical. Often times when they do MPG tests, they don't exactly do what most of us consider daily driving. Still if we figure the numbers are inflated by about 2 mpg when factoring in typical driving habits, that's still impressive.
I wonder what the MPG's would be if all that emissions stuff accidentally fell off ?
What worries me with the 6.7 is that all the PR videos suggest that it is designed to be a lighter engine.
Does that mean less durable? Why is the figure of being tested for 250,000 miles touted?
What kind of actual design life is forecasted for this motor?
Is it 250,000 miles?
300,000 miles?
I am using a 6.0 with 257,000 on the clock that clearly have a lot of life left.
I think it will go 800,000 without a major overhaul --- it has NEVER been overhauled before.
So I want some answers --- which can only come with actual user experience with fleets.
They didn't say tested for 250,000 miles, they said tested to 250,000 miles. If the Ford engineer said I think it will go 500,000 without a major overhaul would you be impressed?
Tested to 250,000 miles is the same as what they claimed about the 6.0. in some magazine ads.
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2004 E-450 6.0 139,000 miles
7,500 mile, 15 quart oil changes, 5W-40 Rotella.
UOAs consist of checking for metal on drain plug magnet. All stock, no mods. Dyed fuel with no additives. Never been reflashed.
Total parts replaced;
one EGR valve.
What worries me with the 6.7 is that all the PR videos suggest that it is designed to be a lighter engine.
Does that mean less durable?
So I want some answers --- which can only come with actual user experience with fleets.
The lighter engine is in weight...at about 160 lbs lighter than the current 6.4L PSD. FORD was able to achieve this with aluminum heads and compacted graphite iron over conventional gray iron, therefore reducing the actual weight of the engine.
With this state-of-the-art material...FORD expects the 6.7L PSD to be even more durable than the previous 6.0L and 6.4L PSD.
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