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Old 09-25-2009, 11:31 PM
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390 Piston question

The pistons on my mid 70's rebuilt by ATK 390 come up to about 1/8" below the deck of the block at TDC. Is this normal? If so, any guess as to the compression ratio with stock heads? One head has 76 stamped on it.
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The pistons on my mid 70's rebuilt by ATK 390 come up to about 1/8" below the deck of the block at TDC. Is this normal? If so, any guess as to the compression ratio with stock heads? One head has 76 stamped on it.
Probably because your engine is a low compression model in the 8.5 to 1 range.
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Thats why Block decking and or measuring your crank throw, rod length and Piston C.D. is very important in a build when wanting to bring the CR up to a decent range.. But then again I dont know what CR you were shooting for ? Maybe your gonna hang a blower on it ? LOL
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Probably because it has the 410 car/ 390 low compression pickup pistons
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C8TZ6108RB .. 390 Piston / Fits: 1968/76 F100/350.

C6MY6108A .. 410 Piston / Fits: 1966/67 Mercury Parklane.
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The pistons on my mid 70's rebuilt by ATK 390 come up to about 1/8" below the deck of the block at TDC. Is this normal? If so, any guess as to the compression ratio with stock heads? One head has 76 stamped on it.
.120 down the hole. Just like a 360. You measure that stroke?
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Old 09-27-2009, 09:10 PM
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The stroke measured aprox 3 and 7/8" with a scale ruler.
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Are you considering fixing this? Car pistons for a 390 2bbl, or truck 360 pistons may be an answer....
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Are you considering fixing this? Car pistons for a 390 2bbl, or truck 360 pistons may be an answer....
Just how would the lower compression pistons help anything, except to lower his compression even more?
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Notice I said "may be the answer".

If he has 8.5 or so CR now, he may get a higher CR with those other pistons, depending on cylinder head volume. 2bbl car 390s were about 9.5, and others on this board report about 9.5 using 360 pistons with the 390 crank and rods.

More research and figuring of the compression height etc would be in order.

As always, a proven solution would be good, but we're dealing with limited info.
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Notice I said "may be the answer".

If he has 8.5 or so CR now, he may get a higher CR with those other pistons, depending on cylinder head volume. 2bbl car 390s were about 9.5, and others on this board report about 9.5 using 360 pistons with the 390 crank and rods.

More research and figuring of the compression height etc would be in order.

As always, a proven solution would be good, but we're dealing with limited info.
Not gonna happen. The 390 2V pistons have a lower compression with the same length rods, hence a lower compression. Even the high compression 2V 390 pistons have no higher a wrist pin height than the 390 4V pistons. The 410 pistons will have an even higher pin height, hence a lower compression. The 360 pistons are known to have the same pin height as the 390 4V pistons.
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So what is driving the CR train here? If Ford listed these engines at 9.5 and 10:1 when new, what, other than combustion chamber size, which we do not know, prevents the same result today?

This does not include the 360, but shows no 390 piston down the hole like the OP describes.

http://www.woodyg.com/fairlane/finfo/fespechart2.html
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So what is driving the CR train here? If Ford listed these engines at 9.5 and 10:1 when new, what, other than combustion chamber size, which we do not know, prevents the same result today?

This does not include the 360, but shows no 390 piston down the hole like the OP describes.

http://www.woodyg.com/fairlane/finfo/fespechart2.html
Well, first off the 70's engine were all low compression compared to the 60's engines(9.5 to 10.5 to 1) and used the pistons with the low compression height (piston pin mounted higher in the piston) to achieve the lower compression. Remember in the early 70's lead disappeared from gas an compressions plummeted. If memory serves (it don't always) the trick was preformed by using the 410 pistons in the 390, there by dropping the top of the piston down by .2".

Oh and your chart is for the engines built in the 1960's, not the 70's.
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where would one buy a set of pistons to achieve 10.5:1? without spending $700
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Buy a set of stock replacement piston for a mid 60's engine.
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