The problem is in trying to program this tranny so everyone likes it. This one is a bit different than others in the past. It never coasts. It's always in gear so when you roll to a stop it has to shift to 1st at the last second and this is what causes the 2-1 shift bump that early models had problems with. Software updates have solved this for the most part.
I don't think this transmission will ever have a seemless 1-2 shift unloaded as it has a 4.17 first and 2.84 second. That's a pretty big difference and is a bit harsh when not carrying a load. But when you are towing it's very smooth and gives you incredible power out of the hole.
BTW-The 6R series has been around since the 06 Explorer and it's not the joint venture with GM.
Mike
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I agree, the 1-2 shift has to be somewhat noticeable because of the gap in ratios. Like a granny gear. For it not to be noticeable the clutches would really have to slip.
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Those of you who think there are only a couple people in the US with these tranny problems are just not facing reality. As the above quote states, Ford will not spend a penny if they don't have too. The fact that this transmission has had numerous firmware upgrades proves there is a problem here with the software. For many, the re-flash solves the problem, for others, it won't or it will make it worse. If you are one of the unlucky people who it did not work for, don't get mad, get even. Let them attempt to fix it 3-4 times, then file your lemon law paperwork. Taking it back 20 times and driving around angry is your alternative.
If as Ford has told me that the 2010's have a new software, why not replace the old one, this reflash seems to be hit & miss from what I've been reading.
If as Ford has told me that the 2010's have a new software, why not replace the old one, this reflash seems to be hit & miss from what I've been reading.
When he says new software, what is he compairing that too? There is a chance a 2010 if already built could have an older version if they just released an update. The factory will install the tcm with the latest to date firmware I would hope.
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When he says new software, what is he compairing that too? There is a chance a 2010 if already built could have an older version if they just released an update. The factory will install the tcm with the latest to date firmware I would hope.
I was told that due to the deluge of complaints from people with an 09, the 2010s have an upgraded software to alleviate the harsh shifting issues, having said that I'd like to get some 2010 owners to come out here & tell us how their tranny shifting is.
Have 1200 miles on my 09 f-150 that's less then a month old. Great so far. Before this I drove a Nissan XE picup and in 11 years and 120k mles, the only thing I added were regular maintenance items. Air is still cold. Bought a 07 civic and put 50k mles on that with no problems. Out of the blue I decided to hell with mpg and it was time to get my balls back so I purchased my xlt f-150. I was leaning towards the Tundra but decided to give USA a chance. the day before I purchased I was killing myself worrying about the problems I was reading about. 25k out the door for a truck I should not have to deal with problems. Tranny problems, spark plug issues............
After speaking with friends who are Ford enthusiasts and reasurring me all makes of trucks have problems and that ppl come to the internet to complain and not praise, I went through with my purchase. Love driving my truck and hope it will be as problem free as my other vehicles. It's a toss of the coin if you get a good vehicle, no matter what make it is.
Have 1200 miles on my 09 f-150 that's less then a month old. Great so far. Before this I drove a Nissan XE picup and in 11 years and 120k mles, the only thing I added were regular maintenance items. Air is still cold. Bought a 07 civic and put 50k mles on that with no problems. Out of the blue I decided to hell with mpg and it was time to get my balls back so I purchased my xlt f-150. I was leaning towards the Tundra but decided to give USA a chance. the day before I purchased I was killing myself worrying about the problems I was reading about. 25k out the door for a truck I should not have to deal with problems. Tranny problems, spark plug issues............
After speaking with friends who are Ford enthusiasts and reasurring me all makes of trucks have problems and that ppl come to the internet to complain and not praise, I went through with my purchase. Love driving my truck and hope it will be as problem free as my other vehicles. It's a toss of the coin if you get a good vehicle, no matter what make it is.
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I agree, the 1-2 shift has to be somewhat noticeable because of the gap in ratios. Like a granny gear. For it not to be noticeable the clutches would really have to slip.
Ya know what I defy any of you to drive what I deal with and call it acceptable as far as the 1-2 bump as you say. And as far as pulling power, from my 1978 F150 to my 06 F150 the old trannys did just fine pulling cars, trucks, and even frontloaders. If I need more pulling power than that I will buy a 250 or 350.
Ya know what I defy any of you to drive what I deal with and call it acceptable as far as the 1-2 bump as you say. And as far as pulling power, from my 1978 F150 to my 06 F150 the old trannys did just fine pulling cars, trucks, and even frontloaders. If I need more pulling power than that I will buy a 250 or 350.
I am not saying you should feel any 'bump' at all, just that you will be able to tell the tranny shifted gears-more along the lines of a super smooth stick shift shift. It shouldn't bump, bang or buck in any way.
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Those of you who think there are only a couple people in the US with these tranny problems are just not facing reality. As the above quote states, Ford will not spend a penny if they don't have too. The fact that this transmission has had numerous firmware upgrades proves there is a problem here with the software. For many, the re-flash solves the problem, for others, it won't or it will make it worse. If you are one of the unlucky people who it did not work for, don't get mad, get even. Let them attempt to fix it 3-4 times, then file your lemon law paperwork. Taking it back 20 times and driving around angry is your alternative.
One thing here I think a lot of you are missing here that if its poorly engineered, tested, just plain c..p, then taking it in 50 times is not going to change it, I went through this sort of thing with a GMC, it would really bang goin into 2nd, not always but enough that passengers would say WTF is that! Finally after two new trannys it was "this is as good as it gets just drive it", which I did, lasted till I traded it in.
The part that grates people is you should not have to go through this garbage, after puttin 40k+ into it, why were thing things not repaired during testing, or did Ford believe the customers would just take it?
One thing here I think a lot of you are missing here that if its poorly engineered, tested, just plain c..p, then taking it in 50 times is not going to change it, I went through this sort of thing with a GMC, it would really bang goin into 2nd, not always but enough that passengers would say WTF is that! Finally after two new trannys it was "this is as good as it gets just drive it", which I did, lasted till I traded it in.
The part that grates people is you should not have to go through this garbage, after puttin 40k+ into it, why were thing things not repaired during testing, or did Ford believe the customers would just take it?
Oh I get this point perfectly. Many of my complaints on my Expy turned out to be poor design after I looked at other Expys with the same exact problem. If it's designed wrong no amount of taking it back will fix anything.
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Oh I get this point perfectly. Many of my complaints on my Expy turned out to be poor design after I looked at other Expys with the same exact problem. If it's designed wrong no amount of taking it back will fix anything.
I agree totally. However, (and there is always a however in life) if I have to drive a vehicle that shifts like this I may drive it straight into the river out of frustration. I can also go one better on the amount of times you take it in. I was told by the Ford factory tech that the shifts were excessively harsh but even if they put a new transmission in he doesnt think I would be happy with the way it shifted. Now that is confidence in your product.
I agree totally. However, (and there is always a however in life) if I have to drive a vehicle that shifts like this I may drive it straight into the river out of frustration. I can also go one better on the amount of times you take it in. I was told by the Ford factory tech that the shifts were excessively harsh but even if they put a new transmission in he doesnt think I would be happy with the way it shifted. Now that is confidence in your product.
If that's the case, then it must be within Ford's specs. It's been posted on here recently that this tranny shifts smooth as silk when loaded and in many cases shifts hard 1-2 when empty.
I don't take that as a lack of confidence but a lack of ability to soften the shifts to Lincoln towncar standards.
If anyone looks at the Ford website, check out the 2011 superduty. They have a real neat set of videos showing how the truck was tested and they closely illustrate the use of the 6R tranny developed for the medium duty trucks.
Apparently Ford was so confident in the 6R transmissons that they adapted it's technology for the entire F-series line-up.
Tim
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If that's the case, then it must be within Ford's specs. It's been posted on here recently that this tranny shifts smooth as silk when loaded and in many cases shifts hard 1-2 when empty.
I don't take that as a lack of confidence but a lack of ability to soften the shifts to Lincoln towncar standards.
If anyone looks at the Ford website, check out the 2011 superduty. They have a real neat set of videos showing how the truck was tested and they closely illustrate the use of the 6R tranny developed for the medium duty trucks.
Apparently Ford was so confident in the 6R transmissons that they adapted it's technology for the entire F-series line-up.
Tim
Company "confidence" does not equal customer satisfaction, case in point, 94 GMC, would literally bang when going into second when going slow on a downgrade, two tranny's later no difference, was I happy? NO, did I drive it? yes, did it break down? never, my point is that each F150 owner has a different tolerence level, what may be a bump to some, might have others cursing the fact they bought this vehicle.
I want to order a Platinum come Jan, am I concerned? yes, but having said that I will wait to make a final decision on hearing from 2010 owners as the 2010,s are supposed to have a new software to alleviate these issues.
If any of you has checked out the JRpower ratings, all of the big three truck drivetrain quality is not at the highest rating, but the Ford F150 scores better than either GM or Ram in virtually all other categories.
Company "confidence" does not equal customer satisfaction, case in point, 94 GMC, would literally bang when going into second when going slow on a downgrade, two tranny's later no difference, was I happy? NO, did I drive it? yes, did it break down? never, my point is that each F150 owner has a different tolerence level, what may be a bump to some, might have others cursing the fact they bought this vehicle.
I want to order a Platinum come Jan, am I concerned? yes, but having said that I will wait to make a final decision on hearing from 2010 owners as the 2010,s are supposed to have a new software to alleviate these issues.
If any of you has checked out the JRpower ratings, all of the big three truck drivetrain quality is not at the highest rating, but the Ford F150 scores better than either GM or Ram in virtually all other categories.
Well mine must have been built on a Tuesday, shifts silky smooth empty or when my 10K 5er is on the back!!!!
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