My 64 F250 has the T-98 in it.
There is a 66 F250 for sale locally with a 4 spd and a pto on it.
Is that going to be a T-98 or some other tranny?
Can I take the pto off if the 66 and plug it into my 64 T-98?

 

Wouldn't be a T98, would be either a T18 or a New Process (#??) (probably the latter).

 

I thought it might be the np435, but according to this link the t-87 was standard, and the t-98 and np435 were options in '66. http://www.oramagazine.com/archive/2...t-old-iron.asp
The truck for sale looks like it is priced high for it's appearance.
Are things like the pto interchangeable between t-18 and t-98?

Thanks
Dan

 

I told you as much as I know. BTW you can't believe everything you read on the internet. I don't know if Jim Allen knows what he is talking about or not. He seems to lump all 61-66 trucks together which you cannot do. The engines in the 61-64 trucks are different that the 65-66's and to the best of my knowledge the transmissions for one group won't bolt up to the other group of engine.
For a definitive answer, I would suggest you copy down all of the information on the Warranty Tag (located on the drivers side door) and ask one of the guys on the site to decode it for you. Member Number Dummy is a former (old) parts guy and has all the books and resources to help provide information to members. There are also others who can do the decode and give you the info you need and answer your questions.

 

Thank you for the information. I don't know very much about this era of truck but I'm learning and I'm trying to make some sense of all the info that there is available. Believe me, from my position, it's not easy to buy the vehicle then try to learn all I need to, to know my vehicle, if that makes sense. I appreciate that you share your knowledge. I'm not trying to debate you but rather collect information for my project.

What my goal is, would be to install a pto in my '64 to operate a hydraulic winch and a ram to tilt the flatbed. I think I'd rather have the pto drive hydraulic over the belt driven hydraulic. It may be worth buying the '66 to scavenge some useful parts and part out the rest.
Thanks again for your information, it is very much appreciated.

 

PTO's for T98 and T18 are not the same and will not interchange. Probably be easier to get a new PTO unit.......check with a truck parts supplier. T/M

 

The Warner T-87 is a H/D 3 speed manual w/a non syncro first gear used in F350's from 1953 thru 1966.

The Ford Type 3.03 3 speed manual all syncromesh transmission was standard equipment in 1963/86 F100/250's, 1967/79 F350's.

The T-98 was not available after 1964 in any F Series truck.

After 1964, the only Ford trucks that used a T-98 were 1965/66 P Series Parcel Delivery's with a diesel engine.

1965/72 F100/350: The 4 speed transmission is either a Warner T-18 (reverse up and towards the dash), or a New Process 435 (reverse down and back towards the seat).

The TRANS code is on the 2nd line of the Warranty Plate, which is located on the left door face below the latch.

1965/72 F100/350: Warner T-18 = F // New Process 435 = N

F was the TRANS code used 1961/64 for the Warner T-98.

Info sources: 1957/63 & 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalogs.

 

I took a look at the tag and came up with this:
some of the characters are hard to read:
F26CE511733
wb color mod body trans axle
120 L F261 381 A 24

gvw cert. net. hp rpm dso
4900 135 3800 212270

That's what I have, the "trans" code A, is a bit squashed and almost looks like a 1. Pretty sure it's an A.

Can this be decoded for me?

 

I am not 100% on this but if the PTO cover is on the same side a T18 PTO should bolt on to a T98.

If you are really in the need for a PTO for a T98 I can get you one. A guy at work has one sitting in a hulk out at his farm. I know its a T98 cause I got the 292 that was in front of it.

 

Sounds like a solution to me. Our work here is done.

 

F26 = F250 4WD.

C = 292 2V.

E = Mahwah NJ Assembly Plant.

511733 = 1964, assembled March 1964.

120" Wheelbase.

L = Holly Green.

F261 = F250 4WD / 4900 lbs. GVWR

381: 3 = Medium Green Crush Viny & Medium Green Rib Pattern Vinyl // 81 = 81A Standard Cab.

A = Ford Type 3.03 3 Speed Manual all Syncromesh Transmission.

A or N = New Process 435 4 Speed Manual.

(F = Warner T-98 4 Speed Manual)

24 = Spicer-Dana 60 Rear Axle / 4.56-1 / non Limited Slip / 5200 lb. Rear Axle Capacity.

4900 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.

135 net HP @ 3800 RPM

212270:

21 = Atlanta GA Ford District Sales Zone Office, wher the original Selling dealer ordered the truck from.

2270 = Domestic Special Order Number, the truck was special ordered by the original purchaser, not bought "off the lot."

 

This is great, thanks a lot.

So it looks like the original tranny was the 3 spd.
Now it has a 4 spd, granny first, T98 cast on the side.

BUT . . . that doesn't mean that it is really a T98 does it?
Could it be the T18 using the T98 housing and top plate? (I read this somewhere on the internet, I think from Novak Conversions), don't know if I can believe it though.

As far as the axles go, I was told they 4.88's when I bought it. Tag says 4.56. Were 4.88's an option in '64?

If I remember correctly, the guy that sold me the truck was the second owner.
How hard would it be to track it's history of ownership?

FLIPKLOS - I am interested in the pto, maybe the entire tranny. I live 20 miles north of the Twin Cities. Getting to Wahpeton, ND is no problem.

 

Why would you want it to be T-18 innards? Same basic transmission. I think what you read is that the top covers on the T98 and the early T-18's are the same and you might find a T18 cover on a T98 or vice versa) but nothing was said about the innards being interchangable.

 

You are right, the information I read was about the top plate. I perceived it a different way.

I think someone else posted that the two were not interchangeable.
I just trying to run a hydraulic winch and a ram. I'll be rebuilding it this winter when I pull the engine, so that would be a good time to hook up a pto.

Thanks for all the info.

 

I cant PM you fishernut. Do you have an Email? I will try to talk to him (PTO guy) this week.