When have i said something negative about ford motors? if this was true i wouldnt own and drive a ford car and a ford truck. Your statement has no factual basis.
dodge boy? id like to know where this is coming from. So owning one dodge that was passed down to me from my deceased father makes me dodge boy? I take offense to this, because apparently hanging onto one thing that i can remember my father by makes me "dodge boy".
Your feeble-minded post just fortifies how immature you are.
Edit:also, if a moderator or administrator would like to delete my account, feel free to do so, i am done with the bull-**** on here. Lew52 has convinced me that this site is not worth my time.
....Well lets see , you said a 302 is only good for a boat anchor , then you say don't even get me started about a 460 . And theres more , so i think my statement had factual basis . Sorry Dodge boy upset you , but when you call people retarted , immature & say that this site is full of BS thats what you get . Its in your posts . So you like to dish it out but can't take anything back ??? Well you have a good day !! (feeble minded) Lew
i think ford should take a crack at a new I6 but theyd probably screw it up by trying to make it put out lots of horse with no TQ like everything else
Hey Bud
The thing about the I6 design is how long the motor is. Ford doesn't want to re-design their trucks to fit an I6.
I think an I6 diesel (or even a sturdy gasser) would be a welcome come back. The I6 is typically a rock solid design; fewer parts to brake, pistons glide up and done and not at an angle, etc. Still, you can kiss a half-ton I6 motor good bye. These trucks are only going to get more rounded and shorter as the years go by.
The best you could hope for is maybe a 5-Cyl diesel.
The thing about the I6 design is how long the motor is. Ford doesn't want to re-design their trucks to fit an I6.
I think an I6 diesel (or even a sturdy gasser) would be a welcome come back. The I6 is typically a rock solid design; fewer parts to brake, pistons glide up and done and not at an angle, etc. Still, you can kiss a half-ton I6 motor good bye. These trucks are only going to get more rounded and shorter as the years go by.
The best you could hope for is maybe a 5-Cyl diesel.
True, true. They're just so darn big. Which I like.
However, that is pretty much why they started to phase out in the first place. People want more and more compact, and I6s, by nature, are just really long.
Also, that supercharged 300 is AWESOME. And yes, I6s, when built right, can make crazy power. Check out some 3.0L Toyota Supras some time. Some of those monsters make 1000+Hp. Granted, they're turbo, but the fact still remains.
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True, true. They're just so darn big. Which I like.
However, that is pretty much why they started to phase out in the first place. People want more and more compact, and I6s, by nature, are just really long.
Also, that supercharged 300 is AWESOME. And yes, I6s, when built right, can make crazy power. Check out some 3.0L Toyota Supras some time. Some of those monsters make 1000+Hp. Granted, they're turbo, but the fact still remains.
Hey Justin, what's crackin'?
I like the fact the motor is big. Big for a six anyway. Underpowered and over-built; this aids in the 300's long life. Before you say the 300 isn't underpowered, I mean underpowered in stock form. The 300 both in EFI and carb form leave much to be desired.
I think Ford phased out the 300 for several different reasons. As just mentioned the 300 is no powerhouse (it's stout, but it's no V8) and people want more power; there's nothing wrong with that. Most other vehicles on the road are rev-happy and pretty fast. In order not to get run over with a stock 300 powered truck you almost have to mind-read just to avoid a lot of "road warriors", haha. A few added ponies would make highway travel a bit better. The 4.2l is nothing new but is more compact and has good horsepower - and that's just what Ford replaced the 4.9 with. I think it was a good choice, all things considerings. The "300 Six" days meant every F-150 was built for abuse and hard work. Things aren't this way anymore. Most people who bought V6 F-150's typically had "grocery getting" or fuel mileage or mild work in mind. There's no reason to put a Six banger in 3/4 tons anymore.
I'm really hacking up what I'm trying to say. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I can fully understand why Ford dumped the 300. It was a good every-man's motor but it's time merely ran out. I think the 4.2 was a good replacement. It may not be as die-hard or quite as hard working, but it's a good commuter's motor; and that's what people are looking for these days.
The basic F-150 these days aren't made with the same thinking as they were from the 70's, 80's or 90's.
Personally I do like the 300 but in stock form I am very disapointed with it, especially paired with an automatic. I think the motor ran it's course and it's time for Ford to bring another every-man's motor into play. Bring back a modern day 300.
....Well lets see , you said a 302 is only good for a boat anchor w
try dictionary.com, look up sarcasm.
Your statement does not have any factual basis, you are just a stupid old man. Like i said, if my posts bother you that much then just ignore them. Is that too hard for you?
I think i can handle that ??? But its hard when your a feeble minded , immature , stupid old man , but i will try . Think its time for you to go home , i think your mommys calling you . BTW i liked the feeble minded thing , shows how much class you have !!!
The best you could hope for is maybe a 5-Cyl diesel.
strangely enough mercedes used to make one, but it was only a 3.0L. We have one in the shop right now that runs on veggie oil.
on a total tangeon, it would be cool to see someone like DART or WORLD make an aftermarket straight six block that could handle serious power, but then logic kicks in that im sure they realize there isnt much of a market for it. Id like to see what someone could do with one of these motors with no limitations. If they can make a single 88mm turbo throw down 1000rwhp on a 302....well....hrmmm....even a few aftermarket cylinder head options would be a step in the right direction though...
if you guys wanna fight take it to a pm haha that way it doesnt clog up the OPs thread...which has been so far off topic he probably doenst even follow it anymore ahah
yeah i dont like the way trucks went in the late 90s, all trucks not just fords...they all became soccer mom grocery getter MPG trucks, if i remember correctly that is why they invented minivans! trucks today cant work, they are built for city folk...i wont buy a truck newer than 96...well so far ive heard the new SD fords are tough as nails...id sure hate to work on one though, you cant see more than 5 inches down into the engine bay and half the time you have to pull the cab...like WTF? heloooo ford how about an easy to maintain vehicle?...or an I6 diesel for the SD, that would be sweet take back cummins but find a way to reduce the black smoke every time you touch the go fast pedal, i hate that when you are beside a dodge at a light because you know hes gonna gun it because he thinks hes so cool when he repaints your truck a nice soot black on one side...stupid dodge
anyways...end of rant and thread hi-jack LOL
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here we go again with the ridiculous comparisons. Are you aware of the weight of a corvette? its a 2 seater fiberglass aerodynamic car...not a 2-3 ton heavy ass brick shaped truck. Nevermind the complexity of the ecu controls and the much more precise fuel injection setup... Take your ridiculous comparisons elsewhere. Comparing a new technology ls7 motor in a 3200 pound car to a 4500 pound truck with 25 year old technology is downright retarted.
Hey now, the guy said the 300 is the best gas engine out there. That means im free and clear to pick any engine of any configuration, and any era to prove my point. I purposefully started strong. My point still stands that its all application dependant and theres no such thing as the "best" engine ever.
Hey Bill,
That's probably one of the best descriptions of what the 300 is. It was an engine of a different era. The use of trucks has changed dramatically throughout the years. It used to be, when you wanted to drive around, you got a car. When you wanted to work, you got a truck. Trucks were for pulling loads, hauling hay, moving parts, and hard, low speed, grunt work. Most trucks couldn't get over 55 mph, and many of them never even tried. This, of course, was the world where the 300 was king, as it did all of these things to no end without ever complaining.
Nowadays, trucks are as much of a commuter vehicle as a Honda Civic simply because people want to own one simply to own one. They want big for their ego, or want to make sure they have a truck bed for the once-a-year occasion where they made need to haul a ladder over to a buddies house. Then, in the mean time, they want to be able to cruise the interstate at 80mph, and have all the comforts and luxuries of a regular car. Car companies, in response to this, can't exactly tell people what to buy and what their vehicles are supposed to be used for. They have to conform their vehicles to what people want. If people want a road cruising truck (one that after ten years may or may not have a scratch in the bed), then the motors have to change to match.
This is where the 300 died out. No one needed it anymore. That and it came out in 1965. Now could they make a new I6 that met today's standards? Absolutely, there's no reason they couldn't. Inherently, it's one of the most capable engine configurations. I think it would have been awesome if they would have just made a new I6 to replace the 300. I mean, they're not exactly using the 351 or 302 in todays' trucks either. Everything eventually gets updated. I'd love to have seen what a 90's designed I6 would have been like.
PS: That post actually did sound drunk! Been having some fun?
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Hey Bill,
That's probably one of the best descriptions of what the 300 is. It was an engine of a different era. The use of trucks has changed dramatically throughout the years. It used to be, when you wanted to drive around, you got a car. When you wanted to work, you got a truck. Trucks were for pulling loads, hauling hay, moving parts, and hard, low speed, grunt work. Most trucks couldn't get over 55 mph, and many of them never even tried. This, of course, was the world where the 300 was king, as it did all of these things to no end without ever complaining.
Nowadays, trucks are as much of a commuter vehicle as a Honda Civic simply because people want to own one simply to own one. They want big for their ego, or want to make sure they have a truck bed for the once-a-year occasion where they made need to haul a ladder over to a buddies house. Then, in the mean time, they want to be able to cruise the interstate at 80mph, and have all the comforts and luxuries of a regular car. Car companies, in response to this, can't exactly tell people what to buy and what their vehicles are supposed to be used for. They have to conform their vehicles to what people want. If people want a road cruising truck (one that after ten years may or may not have a scratch in the bed), then the motors have to change to match.
This is where the 300 died out. No one needed it anymore. That and it came out in 1965. Now could they make a new I6 that met today's standards? Absolutely, there's no reason they couldn't. Inherently, it's one of the most capable engine configurations. I think it would have been awesome if they would have just made a new I6 to replace the 300. I mean, they're not exactly using the 351 or 302 in todays' trucks either. Everything eventually gets updated. I'd love to have seen what a 90's designed I6 would have been like.
PS: That post actually did sound drunk! Been having some fun?
Hey Justin, you are absolutely correct in everything you said.
There is nothing wrong with people wanting a truck just to have a truck. When you do need an open box, nothing else replaces it, so for that once-a-year ladder to a buddie's house, it all makes sense to build a louxry truck that can go 80 mph, ride like a Crown Vic and still be able to haul around a square of hay or two. That's what the people want these days.
Nobody needs a diesel-like motor for their half tons anymore. What people need these days is something that can get acceptable mileage for hauling around the kids and groceries - and still be able to carry a ladder for their buddy.
HOWEVER! I believe where the motor companies are wrong is that they aren't catering to the every-man's need anymore. Well, they are, but their vehicles are grossly over priced. That's why I drive a high mileage truck. I can't afford new! These old trucks were built to last, and they do, thankfully. I'm glad to own my truck. These trucks give the every-man a good realiable sorce of transportation and work-horse.
I would like to see a more rugged line of F-150 come out, just like our trucks. I would like to see something that comes from the factory with everything a working truck needs; including a every-man's motor. Something that can get you 16mpg unloaded but still be able to pull 8,000 pounds - safely.
Oh yeah, the most important thing; make them affordable!
I can fully understand why the motor companies are doing what they are doing. It's kind of heartbreaking to me every time I get the urge to go in debt (LOL) and go looking for a new truck. Sorry Ford, but you're way too proud of your product. I'll stick to my old rig for now.
I'm sure someone will quote me and give me the argument how Ford's prices aren't unreasable, that you can't build a truck for the money Ford is asking for, etc etc..
The fact still remains. For the every day working man, a basic work-truck-F-150 is over priced.
One last thing; I don't want anyone saying that I'm saying new F-150's aren't tough. I know they are and I know they can last every bit as long as these old trucks do. My main two points are this; The trucks are over priced and don't roll out of the factory with what my opinion would be a good TRUCK motor. If Ford could make a good TRUCK motor and work on the pricing, maybe change a few things, I'd be more impressed with Ford.
Sorry, another drunk-sounding post. LOL I'm in a hurry so I can't proof read this and correct all the errors. I apologize in advance!!!
Yup, completely agreed. And they did it to SUVs too. I, personally, have a Bronco because I don't use my truck for work, I use it for camping, getting dirty, and climbing mountains. This, again, is perfect for a 300 because it'll do it all day long. In my case though, I can't exactly afford a different vehicle for every occasion, so I use it as a daily driver. This is why it got the 4bbl upgrade. Same low end grunt and off-road power, but now I can hold 80 on the interstate for hours. Awesome.
However, I wouldn't pit today's "off-road" SUVs to anything I do with the Bronco. They just might (yikes) get dirty and scratch the paint.
I would love to have Ford come out with a working man/off-road truck/SUV. Limited on luxuries, made for working. I don't have $40,000 - $60,000 to spend on a truck. Try $10,000 - $15,000. I'll take a hit in the creature comforts as long as it's tough. Heck, the only "luxury" my Bronco has is a vent.
As with most of these discussions, the debate can go on forever.
But if the original poster is still reading... You can definitely see that people love the straight six and its great. You will love working on it and building it up, just as long as you aren't looking for what you can get out of today's engines.
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Bill i really liked your comments on the pricing of the new stuff. I am the same way. My stang gets the same gas mileage as the new ones and is only a little slower for like 1/10th the price lol. My F250 was also getting the same mileage as my moms '00 4.6 exped. Its running a little under the weather right now but at least i dont need a degree in computer engineering to fix the problem. This brings me to my last point, and that is that i am fortunate enough to have my truck for work and my car for DDing and having fun in, yet both are old and high mileage. So i definitely agree on the whole old vs. new argument. The new stuff just isnt as robust. Theyre great when they work, but i feel like i could drive my 250 through a brick wall, or possibly through an nuclear holocaust where the EMP shockwave has rendered all the new crap useless. bwahahaha
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