100K oil change challenge

[KRDiesel]

In order to increase the viscosity of the lubricant to a higher level as required for certification as an SAE 5W40 motor oil, a viscous olefin copolymer is desirably added to the PAO and ester. Olefin copolymers having a shear stability index of at least about 25, and more preferably 27 to 29 or greater, are believed to be satisfactory for use in the lubricants of the invention. Preferred olefin copolymers comprise ethylene and propylene, with copolymers having lower ethylene content being more preferred because they are believed to provide more thickening and better solubility. One such particularly preferred copolymer is marketed by Chevron Oronite's under the trade name Paratone 8232, which is believed to comprise an ethylene-propylene copolymer having a viscosity ranging from about 640 to about 680 at 100° C., diluted in mineral oil. The amount of olefin copolymer used in the lubricants of the invention is desirably such that the viscosity of the resultant lubricant will be within a range of from about 14.5 to about 16.5 cs at 100° C., with a range between about 15 and about 16 being most preferred. It is believed that from about 10 to about 15 volume percent of the olefin copolymer is needed to achieve the desired viscosity in the finished lubricant. Generally speaking, if a PAO having a viscosity higher than the preferred viscosity of about 7 cs is used in the subject lubricants, less olefin copolymer is needed to raise the resultant lubricant viscosity to the desired range, whereas use of a PAO having a viscosity lower than 7 cs may necessitate use of a greater amount of olefin copolymer than would otherwise be required.

[KRDiesel]

Shear Stability
Shear stability is a measure of whether and how much of the oil’s viscosity is lost during its time in the operating engine. Oil experiences very high stresses in certain areas of the engine. Most multigrade engine oils made from mineral oil contain special types of additives, called Viscosity Index Improvers (VI Improvers). These molecules are larger in size than the oil molecules and are used in small amounts to give better low temperature viscosity while still maintaining an appropriate level of viscosity at operating temperature. However, depending on the size of the VI Improver molecules, as the oil passes through the engine, some of these larger molecules are permanently broken down into smaller molecules that are less effective in contributing to viscosity.

Oils that do not contain special Viscosity Index Improver additives, such as single grade oils or most synthetic oils, will experience little or no permanent viscosity loss. The shear stability of an oil is measured by using both ASTM test methods D4683 and D5275. First, the viscosity of an engine oil is measured. Then, the oil is exposed to severe shearing conditions by repeatedly pumping it through a diesel fuel injection nozzle at high pressure. After shearing the oil, its viscosity is measured again. The percentage of viscosity lost is determined by comparing the second viscosity measurement with the original viscosity measurement.

Although there are no general specifications indicating required levels of shear stability for engine oils, lower percentages mean that an oil is more shear stable and will retain its viscosity better during operation.

[slowmans]

where is that from?

[KRDiesel]

Originally Posted by slowmans

he probably doesnt , considering some of us are still waiting on the white paper from international about the HSS......

Sorry slowbrain, but he did.

I could not post all of it, it is over 15 pages.

[slowmans]

man I hope he gives you a good discount!!

[KRDiesel]

Originally Posted by slowmans

man I hope he gives you a good discount!!

He has never given me any discount, free product, or such.

[slowmans]

Originally Posted by KRDiesel

He has never given me any discount, free product, or such.

[KRDiesel]

Are you implying that I am lying?

[slowmans]

oh get your britches out of the ditches sally! you get way to bent out of shape when people state thier opinion about L.S's products!!!!!im glad you like em'....some of us think its crap! thats our right as it is yours to like there products, the simple fact is that everyone knows th 6.0 kills oil! period! so haveing a thread like this is just asking for this kind of reaction! There are alway newbies on here daily and I would hate to see them waste money on a product that isn't going to do what it claims!! And my "OPINION" is that ther products dont !

[slowmans]

Originally Posted by KRDiesel

Sorry slowbrain, but he did.

I could not post all of it, it is over 15 pages.

I think its funny how he instanly got it to you, but when a few of us had asked to see some proof that international/navistar approves HSS it still to my knowledge hasn't been posted??

[Beachbumcook]

Wow... this must be some super oil from a secret planet in an unknown solar system.

If it's to good to be true... "you know the answer".

All oils shear and plenty of 100% PAO oils have been tried in the 6.0L and various other small diesel motors.

Does Lubrication Specalties oil that they are "hawking" carry the API certification.... that it has been tested and approved?

If not, then it is no better than Amsoil in my mind... maybe a good oil... but not one I will try or use.

Personally, I would like to see Blackstone Oil analysis reports every 5,000 miles for this "super oil" and have it posted on this site. I then want to compare my oil reports (all values) to theirs... I think I will be as good and will have done it for a whole lot less money.

Come on Lubrication Specialties.... stop stalling and start posting oil analysis reports on your products. I don't care about going 100,000 miles if you can't go 5,000 miles!!!!!

I will tell you what.... here is my offer.... so are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?????

1) I will send you a copy of all my Blackstone oil reports (I have 15 or 16 of them) showing all valuse and I even have it on an Excel spreadsheet so all values can be seen and my personal averages are calculated.

2) You send me 5 gallons of your super-duper oil and I will change out my oil for yours and install new OEM oil filters (I even use a RAcor by-pass oil filter which I will swap out).

3) I will run your oil for 5,000 miles (just like I do with my Rotella-Syn 5W-40 that I buy at Walmart).

4) I will drain you oil out after 5,000 miles, send to Blackstone and compare the results against my historical results from running Shell Rotela-Syn 5W-40.


Here is the deal.....

If the oil sample for your "super-duper" oil is not "BETTER" in every regard (I better see reduced soot, reduced wear metal values and reduced shearing) across the board.

We will have to define "better" becuase your oil is a whole lot more expensive (I assume) than my Shell Rotella-Syn 5W-40, so your oil should perform at "X percentage" better than my oil to justify the higher cost!!!!

If my oil results are the same or better... then you pay me $5,000 and stop "hawking" your products here.

If I loose.... I will never post on FTE again and will grant you permission to use my name on your site about how good your oil performed versus my Shell Rotella-Syn that I have used for 100,00 miles (I know have 154,000 miles on my truck).

What do you say.... will your oil past the Beachbumcook 5,000 mile challange?????

[slowmans]

Beach im gonna miss you!!!

[adambomb]

i am going to try this oil (blue diamond) for my next change. not planning on 100k miles because i don't seem to think i want to get a bypass filter right now. i am going to get oil analysis' along the way, thinking about testing at 5,000 miles and see what the test results show and then go from their. also i want to get a base line test when i change my oil the next time it's due (using delo 15-40 because that's what the mechanic put in after my new set of studs) i always try to use the "best" oils in my trucks and usually can notice my engine runs smoother after an oil change with some premium synthetic. this is the first time i've used a "dino" oil but i have read it's good stuff, the trucks running good and it's summer so i'll keep it in there until i rack up a few more thousand miles. i have used schaeffers, rotella, delo, and want to give the blue diamond a shot. i hear you can also blend this oil with others and still get a lot of benefits from the additive package and the shear protection. since i don't drive that many miles i think that it could last at least 6-12 months. anyone on here running this stuff?? notice any benefits??? if not i'll probably post up when i do this in a few months.

[KRDiesel]

Originally Posted by slowmans

oh get your britches out of the ditches sally! you get way to bent out of shape when people state thier opinion about L.S's products!!!!!im glad you like em'....some of us think its crap! thats our right as it is yours to like there products, the simple fact is that everyone knows th 6.0 kills oil! period! so haveing a thread like this is just asking for this kind of reaction! There are alway newbies on here daily and I would hate to see them waste money on a product that isn't going to do what it claims!! And my "OPINION" is that ther products dont !

ok, I am sorry that I took offence at you calling me a lyer.

I have not used the oil, I am not inclined to use it ether. The HSS does work though, It may not for you, it may not work for allot of people, it did work for me.



BTW, Chris did not send me the info. I found it online.

[KRDiesel]

it is cert API CI-4 Plus/SL