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Old 08-12-2009, 09:34 PM
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Transmission troubles

Well i am new to this site and i have just bought a 07 ford expedition EL Limited. I havent had it a week and i have noticed transmission problems. It jerks when coming to a stop at a light. No warning lights are on. I know there are some TSB's for the transmission but will ford fix it even though i bought it used?
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Old 08-12-2009, 10:11 PM
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I know we had problems with ours when we first got it it had 4k on it and it was the worst in a rolling stop when you accelerated it really jerked so we took it in and sure enough TSP wasn't done on the lot or when ford was putting the 4 thousand miles on it so who knows who is supposed to keep track of that but they did a **** poor job of it. anyway take it in should still be able to get it figured out and welcome to FTE
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is the Expy still under Warranty? (3yr/36k bumper-bumper, 5yr/60k mechanical)


if so, take her in. Make a complaint about the problem, and mention that you've heard about a TSB. They shouldn't charge you a dime if it is under warranty.
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sorry, forgot to mention this.


It doesn't matter if you bought it used. As long as the time/odometer are under the Warranty period, Ford covers it. 1st owner, or the 15th owner
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I guess im SOL the truck has 61,409 miles on it. how much can i expect to pay for a reflash?
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will ford fix it 1500 miles out of warranty?
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Old 08-13-2009, 10:26 AM
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The 07's did not have the 5/60,000 powertrain, that started in 08. I had this done and it solved the problem. I would expect a cost of $70-125. Doesn't take long but you know dealers. Print this out and take it to them. Says it takes an hour so based on that and their hourly rates varying, maybe it will be cheaper. Ask them what there hourly rate is.
TSB 08-22-7

11/10/08

DRIVELINE BUMP WHILE BRAKING - BELOW 10 MPH (16 KM/H)
FORD:
2007-2008 Expedition

This article supersedes TSB 08-4-13 to update the Issue, Service Procedure and remove the production fix date.
ISSUE
Some 2007-2008 Expedition vehicles may exhibit a bump feeling while braking to a stop below 10 MPH (16 Km/h). This procedure will improve the bump felt while braking to a stop.

ACTION
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.

SERVICE PROCEDURE
CAUTION APPLYING THIS PROCEDURE TO UNITS THAT DO NOT EXHIBIT THE COASTDOWN BUMP MAY RESULT IN WORSE SHIFT QUALITY.

NOTE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REPLACE THE MECHATRONIC UNIT. MECHATRONIC REPAIR/REPLACEMENT IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR THIS ISSUE.

1. Install Integrated Diagnostic System/Portable Diagnostic Software (IDS/PDS) or equivalent and ID the vehicle.

2. Update the Power Control Module/Transmission Control Module (PCM/TCM) calibration using IDS release 57.8 and higher or 58.1 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2008.9 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at the website. Since the TCM cannot be independently reprogrammed, reprogram the PCM to ensure that engine and transmission calibrations are updated to the latest level simultaneously.

a. Verify that the TCM shows 8L1P-7J104-AC (8L1P-7J104-BC for 2008 vehicles built after 12/3/2007) part number after reprogramming is complete.

b. Select the following from IDS, Tool Box, Powertrain, OBD Test Modes, Mode Level 9 Vehicle info, TCM Cal Part Number.

3. Clear TCM keep alive memory (KAM) and adaptive tables.

a. Using IDS:

(1) Open Toolbox.

(2) Choose Powertrain.

(3) Choose Reset KAM.

(4) Then Choose TCM.

b. Using PDS:

(1) Choose all Tests and Calibrations.

(2) Scroll down the menu and choose reset TCM KAM.

NOTE FOR PDS, RESET TCM KAM IS NOT THE SAME AS CLEAR TRANSMISSION ADAPTIVE TABLES, WHICH IS UNDER THE POWERTRAIN - TRANSMISSION MENU TREE.

NOTE UNHOOKING THE BATTERY WILL NOT CLEAR THE TCM KAM.

NOTE DO NOT CLEAR THE PCM KAM.

4. Verify that the transmission fluid temperature (TFT) PID is above 175 F (80 C). If it is not at 175 F (80 C), drive unit approximately 3 miles (5 Km) to reach temperature.

NOTE TFT MUST BE AT 175 F (80 C) OR ABOVE BEFORE PROCEEDING TO STEP 5.

5. Drive unit to perform adaptive shift strategy learn:

a. Accelerate from rest with light throttle to 15 MPH (24 Km/h), remove foot from accelerator pedal.

b. Brake very gently to a complete stop (allow at least six (6) seconds).

c. Repeat Steps (a-b) a total of five (5) times in the dealership parking lot or similar setting.

d. Accelerate from rest with light throttle ensuring that the 1-2, 2-3 and 3-4 shifts occur at engine speeds between 1300-1800 RPM.

e. Continue to accelerate until you achieve 50 MPH (80 Km/h) or the 5-6 upshift.

f. Brake gently to a complete stop and hold foot on brake for at least 10 seconds.

g. Repeat steps (e-f) three (3) times.

NOTE THE HARSH BUMP FELT WHILE BRAKING TO A STOP WILL BE IMPROVED. HOWEVER, SEVERAL DAYS OF DRIVING ARE REQUIRED FOR THE TRANSMISSION TO FULLY ADAPT.

WARRANTY STATUS: Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage IMPORTANT: Warranty coverage limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part.

OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME

082207A 2007-2008 Expedition: 1.0 Hr.
Check DTCs, Reprogram
The PCM And TCM,
Includes Time To Clear
KAM And Perform Road
Test. Authorization Decal
Not Required (Do Not Use
With 12650D)

DEALER CODING

CONDITION
BASIC PART NO. CODE
RECAL 04
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The 07's did not have the 5/60,000 powertrain, that started in 08.
Beg to differ Berry1234 My 07 Expy has the 5yr 60K powertrain, 5yr 60K roadside and 3yr 36K bumper to bumper. This is stated on my original window sticker that was built on Feb 22 2007.
I bought mine used as well, the dealer told me the in service date and expiration date of all three warranties but that didn't mater as I bought the ESP plan.
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Old 08-13-2009, 10:55 AM
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Beg to differ Berry1234 My 07 Expy has the 5yr 60K powertrain, 5yr 60K roadside and 3yr 36K bumper to bumper. This is stated on my original window sticker that was built on Feb 22 2007.
I bought mine used as well, the dealer told me the in service date and expiration date of all three warranties but that didn't mater as I bought the ESP plan.
I stand corrected. I am not sure why I thought my 07 did not have this.
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Thanks for that TSB. Mine doesn't do that downshift bump so hard anymore, but it ocassionally does. You wouldn't have the Hard 1-2 upshift TSB by chance? Getting tired of it slamming into 2nd gear.





Ford started that 5yr/60k Warranty across the board in the Noveber of 2006 when the 2007 models hit lots. They even went back and retro-added the Warranty to all 2006 model vehicles built after July 1, 2006.

I guess they realized that the Certified Pre-Owned Warranty was too much better than the Brand New Warranty and fixed it. Either way, I'm loving it.
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Old 08-13-2009, 03:43 PM
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I think this peticular TSB only applies to 07's. I couldn't find it for an 08.

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* HARSH 1-2 AND/OR 2-1 SHIFTS, TIP-IN HESITATION OR SURGE, AND/OR LONG ENGAGEMENT TIME

Publication Date: April 18, 2007

FORD: 2007 Expedition
LINCOLN: 2007 Navigator

This article supersedes TSB 07-4-8 to update the vehicle application.
ISSUE:

Some 2007 Expedition and Navigator vehicles may exhibit a harsh tip-in from low speeds below 7 MPH (11 Km/h), typically when still in 1st gear such as when in a traffic jam. Additionally some 2007 Expedition vehicles may exhibit a harsh 1-2 shift and/or 2-1 downshift, 1-2 shift flare, and/or long engagement time.
ACTION:

Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) and transmission control module (TCM) to the latest calibration using IDS release 47.6 or higher and 48.1 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2007.3 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at www.motorcraft.com.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
Navigator Procedure

1. Install IDS/PDS or equivalent and ID vehicle.
2. Update the PCM calibration using IDS release 47.6 or higher and 48.1 and higher.

Expedition Procedure

1. Install IDS/PDS or equivalent and ID vehicle.
2. Update the PCM and TCM calibration using IDS release 47.6 or higher and 48.1 and higher. Since the TCM cannot be independently reprogrammed, reprogram the PCM to ensure that engine and transmission calibrations are updated to the latest level simultaneously.
3. Clear TCM keep alive memory (KAM) and adaptive tables.
1. Using IDS
1. Open Toolbox.
2. Choose Powertrain.
3. Choose reset KAM.
4. Then choose TCM.
2. Using PDS
1. Choose "All Tests and Calibrations".
2. Scroll down the menu and choose "Reset TCM KAM"

NOTE: NOTE: FOR PDS, RESET TCM KAM IS NOT THE SAME AS CLEAR TRANSMISSION ADAPTIVE TABLES, WHICH IS UNDER THE POWERTRAIN - TRANSMISSION MENU TREE.

NOTE: UNHOOKING THE BATTERY WILL NOT CLEAR THE TCM KAM.

NOTE: DO NOT CLEAR THE PCM KAM.


4. Verify that the transmission fluid temperature (TFT) PID is above 175 F (80 C). If it is not at 175 F (80 C), drive unit approximately 3 miles (5 Km) to reach temperature.

NOTE: TFT MUST BE AT 175 F (80 C) OR ABOVE BEFORE PROCEEDING TO STEP 5.


5. Drive unit to perform adaptive shift strategy learn.
1. Accelerate from rest with light throttle. The 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 shifts must occur at engine speeds between 1300-1800 RPM.
2. Continue to accelerate gently to 50 MPH (80 Km/h) so that the transmission shifts into 6th gear.
3. Brake gently to a COMPLETE STOP and hold foot on brake for at least 15 seconds.
4. Repeat Steps (a-d) a total of five (5) times

WARRANTY STATUS:

Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle
Limited Warranty Coverage
IMPORTANT: Warranty coverage
limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part.
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thanks for the TSB Berry. I have an appoinment scheduled for this coming tuesday. i will be sure and take it to them
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No problem. Be sure to post back what happens.
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Beg to differ Berry1234 My 07 Expy has the 5yr 60K powertrain, 5yr 60K roadside and 3yr 36K bumper to bumper. This is stated on my original window sticker that was built on Feb 22 2007.
I bought mine used as well, the dealer told me the in service date and expiration date of all three warranties but that didn't mater as I bought the ESP plan.
--------------------Dan 1985, Our's was used also,14,000 miles,it was a certified used Expidition from the Ford dealer,it has in writting from Ford,NOT an aftermarket company, a 5 year/100,000 mile or July 2012 which ever come's 1'st power train coverage,we just went past the 3 year/36,000 mile bumper to bumper,check to see if you have this on your's.
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I just had my '07EL into the shop this week for it's second transmission reprogram to correct the rolling stop downshift bump. The service writer told me there was a new program that superceded the reprogram done several months ago. For now the problem has gone away. They said they were not able to duplicate another problem that I had which is a hard accelaration "Squeal or squeak" as the transmission shifts up or even as full throttle downshift when going about 30-45 mph.
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