Front 2 cylinders dead on a 6.6l 400

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Old 08-11-2009, 02:33 PM
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Front 2 cylinders dead on a 6.6l 400

This engine is in a 1981 E-350 motorhome. It ran great out on a trip, then after being parked for a couple of days was hard to start and ran like crap. Initially I thought it might just be damp wires, but it did not go away and was blowing a lot of blue smoke. After checking in to it, it seems the front two cylinders are dead. I understand that this can mean that there is a blown head gasket, or warped heads. However, there is no sign of coolant in the oil or vice versa, and it is not loosing any coolant - just using a lot of oil!! I have not yet done a compression test, just wondering what else to look for. Could this be a bad cam as I have read these engines can have cam problems, or could this be valves??
How difficult is a re & re of one of these engines, and how difficult are they to rebuild?? I have done a bunch of newer (2 stroke) sled engines, but have never tackled anything like this....
 
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This engine is in a 1981 E-350 motorhome. It ran great out on a trip, then after being parked for a couple of days was hard to start and ran like crap. Initially I thought it might just be damp wires, but it did not go away and was blowing a lot of blue smoke. After checking in to it, it seems the front two cylinders are dead. I understand that this can mean that there is a blown head gasket, or warped heads. However, there is no sign of coolant in the oil or vice versa, and it is not loosing any coolant - just using a lot of oil!! I have not yet done a compression test, just wondering what else to look for. Could this be a bad cam as I have read these engines can have cam problems, or could this be valves??
How difficult is a re & re of one of these engines, and how difficult are they to rebuild?? I have done a bunch of newer (2 stroke) sled engines, but have never tackled anything like this....
I can't think of a reason you would lose two cylinders just sitting for a couple of days. I would, if you haven't done this already, check for fire at both cylinders in question. Make sure distributor cap is clean and dry. If your getting good spark to these cylinders, I would check compression.
 
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I replaced the cap and rotor and then pulled the wires to each cylinder - made absolutley no difference in how it was running when the wires for those 2 cylinders were pulled.. I am wondering if maybe it overheated ...
 
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just did a compression test - 2 cylinders are at 140, 2 at 110, 2 jump to 75 first crank, 90 on the second, then nothing and 2 have next to no compression... I guess it is coming out for sure haha
 
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just did a compression test - 2 cylinders are at 140, 2 at 110, 2 jump to 75 first crank, 90 on the second, then nothing and 2 have next to no compression... I guess it is coming out for sure haha
Are you going to pull the heads just to check for valve problems first or pull the engine entirely?
 
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Old 08-12-2009, 09:50 AM
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I'm thinking with the 2 dead cylinders, that I am going to pull the whole engine... What are the chances that I need to rebore given that I have next to no compression in 2?
 
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I'm thinking with the 2 dead cylinders, that I am going to pull the whole engine... What are the chances that I need to rebore given that I have next to no compression in 2?
I would think it's a high probability on a 28 yr. old engine that the block will have to be bored and honed. It's pretty much standard practice for any machinist.
 
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I have found a 351m in a 1977 merc cougar that I am thinking about buying for the motor and swapping it, then maybe have a go at rebuilding that 400.
Does anyone know if there is a signifigant difference in the performance of these motors?? This motor is going in an old motorhome, so I am not too worried about passing everyone on the road - just don't want it too be too underpowered.
 
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I have found a 351m in a 1977 merc cougar that I am thinking about buying for the motor and swapping it, then maybe have a go at rebuilding that 400.
Does anyone know if there is a signifigant difference in the performance of these motors?? This motor is going in an old motorhome, so I am not too worried about passing everyone on the road - just don't want it too be too underpowered.
I've got a 351M that I just had rebuilt and turned into a 408c.i. and yes there is a big difference if you use aftermarket intake, cam and lifters, and timing set, and a 600-650 cfm carb. My engine builder was surprised at the amount of torque these engines produce with just mild upgrades. My engine with a 400 crank, CompCam 255 DEH and lifters, Cloyes timing set, Tim Meyer 9.4:1 pistons, Edelbrock intake and carb produced 339HP and 478 ft/lbs torque @ 2900rpm on the engine dyno.
 
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