Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Small Chassis Trucks > Explorer, Sport Trac, Mountaineer & Aviator
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


Explorer, Sport Trac, Mountaineer & Aviator 1991-1994, 1995-2001, 2002-2005, 2006-2010 Ford Explorer

Welcome to Ford-Trucks Forums!
Welcome to Ford-Trucks.com.

You are currently viewing our forums as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Ford-Trucks Forums community today!





 
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 01-29-2012, 01:36 PM
bartosch bartosch is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1
bartosch is starting off with a positive reputation.
Replacing door ajar switch

Your post is very helpful. It seems to be missing the last photo and I am wondering if you could post it or send it to me. From your description, it sounds like replacing the switch is something that is not overly challenging. Is that true? I normally don't like taking the door panels apart, since I fear I might screw something up. But if I can change out this switch and solve my problem and avoid taking the truck to the dealer, I'd love to save the time and money.

mikebartosch@comcast.net
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 01-30-2012, 09:54 AM
duvaller duvaller is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 15
duvaller is starting off with a positive reputation.
Just take your time and you should be able to figure it out. It was a little difficult getting my hand in the right position but other than the removal, everything went back in pretty quickly. Took me about 1-1/2 hours but that included getting tools together. It helps to print out his pics. helped me or have a laptop on site.
Good luck.
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 01-30-2012, 12:37 PM
borland borland is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 159
borland is starting off with a positive reputation.
I can't seem to edit the original post. Imageshack is apparently having technical difficulities. Here's the photo you requested.

Click the image to open in full size.
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 05-03-2012, 01:44 PM
FatChevy FatChevy is offline
New User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1
FatChevy is starting off with a positive reputation.
ok aside from this thread being 5 months old. I did your test with rolling the windows down and setting the alarm for each door. the back 2 set the alarm off but the front drivers and passengers didnt at all. Is there something more severe then just the switches or did both of mine happen to go bad at the same time?

btw mine also work sometimes and don't other times...
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 06-04-2012, 02:11 PM
Natalie Anne Natalie Anne is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1
Natalie Anne is starting off with a positive reputation.
Thank you!

Ran across this today while I was trying to figure out what to do about this problem with my truck. The beeping is driving me insane and I hate that I have to leave my doors unlocked to the alarm doesn't keep going off. Anyway, thanks to you and your awesome instructions and pictures, I was able to do this all on my own! Saved me a lot of money! Thanks again so much! Your post is very appreciated! -Natalie
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 10-08-2012, 11:59 AM
solitairenc solitairenc is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 8
solitairenc is starting off with a positive reputation.
Exclamation A little bit different?

I had my VSM module replaced thinking that would fix all my problems. Wrong again. Originally the door ajar light was on, the door locks quit working with keyfobs or door locks in truck itself. Replacing VSM fixed lock probelm but caused another one. The door ajar light still stays on and the dome light and truck box lights stay on even with key out an doors locked. The ford guy said that the computer was saying that the doors where reading backwards. When there open the computer says closed and vice/versa. They will go off if it's being driven but not just setting there. Any ideas before the $300 goes to FORD. Help
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 10-08-2012, 01:00 PM
shorod's Avatar
shorod shorod is online now
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA
Posts: 2,753
shorod has a good reputation on FTE.shorod has a good reputation on FTE.shorod has a good reputation on FTE.
Who replaced the VSM, the same dealer that scanned the system and found the polarity is reversed? Did he program the new module once installed? Assuming by "ford guy" you mean dealer, he should have the Ford tool that would allow him to get in to the programming mode, although I'm not sure if the polarity is a parameter that can be changed.

Assuming the "ford guy" is the one that installed the VSM, I'd ask them to go back through the reprogramming (as part of the labor you've already paid for) and doublecheck everything. Unless someone's mucked with the wiring, there's really no way for the polarity to be incorrect, it almost has to be a programming issue if the signal logic is reversed. Now if the issue is actually one of the doors is not changing states (and always reading ajar), that would be a different story. Their professional scan tool should be able to monitor each of the entry points independently.

-Rod
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 10-08-2012, 01:28 PM
solitairenc solitairenc is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 8
solitairenc is starting off with a positive reputation.
THANKS

It was a local dealer and it was ordered from them. I asked about programming and got a " didn't need to reprogram the module. Personally never read anywhere that it came preprogrammed. It's a problem that I'm going to go back one more time for and see what they find if I have to stand there. He did mentioned that reversing polarity wasn't a programming function but how did it reverse to start with. I've had to pull the bulbs to keep from depleting batteries. Thanks for the reply. One more thing I failed to mention is the alarm system doesn't work now regardless of which door is opened. I sat inside with windows down and alarm set and opened door with handle and nothing happened. Ok thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old 10-08-2012, 09:07 PM
shorod's Avatar
shorod shorod is online now
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA
Posts: 2,753
shorod has a good reputation on FTE.shorod has a good reputation on FTE.shorod has a good reputation on FTE.
I checked the factory service manual tonight and your dealer is correct, there is no mention of the VSM needing to be programmed to the vehicle. According to the manual, "The vehicle security module communicates the status of each ajar switch to the GEM. The liftgate ajar switch and the liftgate glass ajar switch are wired in series. The vehicle security module cannot distinguish between the two ajar switches." I'm still baffled as to how they could be getting an indication that all switches are reading backward, but if that's really the case, you should be able to open all doors and the liftgate glass and witness that the lights go out after a several seconds.

-Rod
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old 10-09-2012, 06:29 AM
solitairenc solitairenc is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 8
solitairenc is starting off with a positive reputation.
Unhappy head ajar

Thanks for the reply. I didn't know there was a swithch on the tailgate! But that's irrelevant to the problem right now since it didn't show in test he said they did. If the VSM didn't have to be programmed and the manual say's I don't have a GEM which is why it has a VSM then how do I correct the problem with out spending 300 dollars needlessly and it might not solve the problem since he's guessing anyway. If the theft alarm doesn't work then something else is wrong. Thanks anyway Rod. BY the way this is a Ford F-250 p/u. NO lift gate swithch here.
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old 10-09-2012, 01:46 PM
shorod's Avatar
shorod shorod is online now
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA
Posts: 2,753
shorod has a good reputation on FTE.shorod has a good reputation on FTE.shorod has a good reputation on FTE.
Your truck should have a GEM, that's separate from the VSM. The GEM though should be able to distinguish between the different ajar switches, and the dealer's WDS should be able to access the GEM to see if it is showing the correct state of the switches, unless that's what they were looking at. Worst case, the dealer should get out their multimeter or test light and physically check the state of the signals going in to the GEM and VSM to determine if the module is reporting them correctly or not. It seems a lot of newer "techs" are lost if the computer equipment doesn't tell them what the problem is.

-Rod
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old 10-09-2012, 05:42 PM
solitairenc solitairenc is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 8
solitairenc is starting off with a positive reputation.
Thumbs up tired but not beaten!

Amen to they get lost. Ever see the sign that says OUR MECHANICS have 450 years of experience and if you were to divide that by the 60 mechanics they have well you get the picture. Anyway I looked and couldn't find location of the GEM on mine but will refer to the chiltons shop book in the morning before I go to dealer. It just seems that fixing one problem only created 2 more? It'll get better but I'm going to call him out on cost of sensors for the door ajar seems he's aboout twice as high as a dealer on the net and no shipping charge. Thanks again.
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old 10-09-2012, 08:19 PM
shorod's Avatar
shorod shorod is online now
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA
Posts: 2,753
shorod has a good reputation on FTE.shorod has a good reputation on FTE.shorod has a good reputation on FTE.
The GEM module would be behind the dash panel on the RH side. That appears to only apply to the Early Build 2002 Explorers though. Later builds incorporate the GEM functions in to the Body Security Module.

-Rod
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old 10-10-2012, 11:00 AM
solitairenc solitairenc is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 8
solitairenc is starting off with a positive reputation.
Talking Feels so Good

Thanks for all you expertise in this matter Rod. I took the truck in this morning and told them all that I had learned from you and others here on this forum. I suggested that they try programming the module and was informed one more time it couldn't be programmed. He showed me on his computer where it was "showing the doors ajar with them closed and opened when closed". So I let them install a new switch in the door and it made no difference. So he took the old module and downloaded all the paramenters from it and put that in the new module and low and behold it worked. All the problems went away immediately. He was amazed but still insisted that was not reprogramming anything. They charged me nothing for 2 hours of frustration and me sitting on my hands but would never admit they were wrong and I was right. Once again thanks to all that assisted in this endevour and never give up trying. By by the way this was a late build 2002 so no GEM.
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old 10-10-2012, 12:57 PM
shorod's Avatar
shorod shorod is online now
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA
Posts: 2,753
shorod has a good reputation on FTE.shorod has a good reputation on FTE.shorod has a good reputation on FTE.
Wow, that's great to hear. I'm sure he's right, the programming had nothing to do with it. [note my sarcasm].

-Rod
Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 12:57 PM
Reply

Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Small Chassis Trucks > Explorer, Sport Trac, Mountaineer & Aviator

Tags
2002, ajar, aviator, connector, door, duty, explorer, f250, ford, instructions, lincoln, mirror, super, switch, xlt

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
SuperCab rear doors won't open. Cable / Latch broken bigtexan99 1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel 18 Yesterday 08:28 PM
78/79 RestoMod Raleigh1 1978 - 1996 Big Bronco 441 08-25-2014 11:03 PM
MY '03 EXCURSION...WITH '08 FRONTEND. DaXman Excursion - King of SUVs 27 04-10-2014 09:29 PM
Never seen ford has panel ! Super Econoline 1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 24 11-04-2012 05:09 PM
Misc. 1973-1996 F-series and Bronco parts. Fordzilla80 Ford Truck Parts for Sale 3 10-07-2012 10:47 PM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:38 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Statement - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.

vbulletin Admin Backup