`61 Unibody Progress Pics...Crown Vic IFS
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My buddy was the good welder,and I see no problems as we measured everything about 20 times before anything was welded.
If anyone else tackles this,DO NOT take measurements from the engine mounting pads,they do not sit centered between the frame rails on either vehicle. I already knew that,but I know alot of people can miss that.
If anyone else tackles this,DO NOT take measurements from the engine mounting pads,they do not sit centered between the frame rails on either vehicle. I already knew that,but I know alot of people can miss that.
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My buddy was the good welder,and I see no problems as we measured everything about 20 times before anything was welded.
Those through bolts and forged upper attachment are meant to hold the upper A arms in the correct position and prevent the aluminum upper casting from doing any movement. The simple gussets in your photographs are only providing restraint in one plane and not the other. Failure is only a matter of time. No matter how good the welds are.
The front upper attachment will see upwards of 30 thousand pounds of force during hard deceleration. Ford made them forged and heavy for a reason. The Crown Vic is a similar weight car as a slick but has a brake bias of 50/50 under extreme braking where as a truck loads the front end suspension at a bias of about 80/20. So theoretically you are loading the upper attachment at 30 percent beyond the ford design with stock components using questionable steel stock and really poor gussets.
The upper gusset if doing what you are needs to be at least 1/2" stock and the gusset must travel horizontally down the side of the frame rail to resist the torsional rotational forces generated on the 2 inches of weldment in place. An additional side reinforcement to prevent lateral rocking.
Garbz
Those through bolts and forged upper attachment are meant to hold the upper A arms in the correct position and prevent the aluminum upper casting from doing any movement. The simple gussets in your photographs are only providing restraint in one plane and not the other. Failure is only a matter of time. No matter how good the welds are.
The front upper attachment will see upwards of 30 thousand pounds of force during hard deceleration. Ford made them forged and heavy for a reason. The Crown Vic is a similar weight car as a slick but has a brake bias of 50/50 under extreme braking where as a truck loads the front end suspension at a bias of about 80/20. So theoretically you are loading the upper attachment at 30 percent beyond the ford design with stock components using questionable steel stock and really poor gussets.
The upper gusset if doing what you are needs to be at least 1/2" stock and the gusset must travel horizontally down the side of the frame rail to resist the torsional rotational forces generated on the 2 inches of weldment in place. An additional side reinforcement to prevent lateral rocking.
Garbz
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FWIW! I agree with Garbz in that the upper gussets are a bit thin. The boxing plate you installed on the inside of the frame rail will help and the rear mounting has some nice additional gussets. Similar gussets applied to the uppers would make a really good addition. I would connect the upper gussets with a 4 inch wide strap. Checking for cracks in any of these components as a part of a regular and careful inspection as the truck is driven would be good. IMHO!
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This holds true with adding a engine cradle and keeping the leaf springs also.
Garbz
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Sheldon,
No the lug pattern on the CV is a metric pattern five lug. It cant handle the frame of a F100. The F250 frame is basically the same.
Issue is with the flexing of a ladder type frame using a aluminum cradle designed for a rigid frame structure. Failure is only a matter of time due to cyclic fatigue.
Garbz
No the lug pattern on the CV is a metric pattern five lug. It cant handle the frame of a F100. The F250 frame is basically the same.
Issue is with the flexing of a ladder type frame using a aluminum cradle designed for a rigid frame structure. Failure is only a matter of time due to cyclic fatigue.
Garbz
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Ok, any ideas on a ifs for the f250?
Sheldon,
No the lug pattern on the CV is a metric pattern five lug. It cant handle the frame of a F100. The F250 frame is basically the same.
Issue is with the flexing of a ladder type frame using a aluminum cradle designed for a rigid frame structure. Failure is only a matter of time due to cyclic fatigue.
Garbz
No the lug pattern on the CV is a metric pattern five lug. It cant handle the frame of a F100. The F250 frame is basically the same.
Issue is with the flexing of a ladder type frame using a aluminum cradle designed for a rigid frame structure. Failure is only a matter of time due to cyclic fatigue.
Garbz