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Old 07-03-2009, 06:29 PM
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Help identifying engine by this #C5FE-9425-F

I have a 1966 Ford F600 and I am not sure what size engine is in it.
the number on the intake manifold is C5FE-9425-F.
a little further over held on by 2 flat head screws is a tag that says 5L24
Under the block on the driver side are the numbers 40 DIF.
I know that DIF means Dearborn Factory, but what does the 40 mean?
right next to the oil filter housing adapter is a tag that reads _K28.
I am unable to make out the first digit. It sort of looks like the Fish symbol standing on end.
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C = 1960s
5 = 5th year, 1965
F = outside US (?)
E = engine engineering dept

9425 = manifolds, etc

F = a revision, r/l or color code.

http://raceabilene.com/kelly/hotrod/engine4.html

5L24:
5 as in 1965
L = November
24 = 24th day

At the top of the SBF forums:

http://www.classicmustang.com/decoding_part_numbers.htm

Not sure if from the 9425 more info can be determined.

This truck should have an FT engine, probably a 330. Is this an old Uhaul?

Does the intake manifold extend under the valve covers?

Carb?

VIN?

Door tag with info?

Any other tags, esp. on the coil mount on the manifold.

Not sure on the other tag/numbers.
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Old 07-04-2009, 09:34 AM
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Hi, thanks for your help.
The Vin# is F60CE831004
1966 Ford F600 Oil Tanker.
Bought from either Charlotte, NC or Raleigh, NC in 1966 and had an Atlas PL three compartment 1500 gallon Petroleum Tank with Lookheed pump installed.
So the truck was of course bought as a Chassis-Cab configuration for multiple applications.
By the warranty plate: the engine should be 330/332 2v carb medium duty.
Transmission is NP4235 4 speed.
Rear differential is Eaton 13802 2-speed.
I think at some point the engine was replaced. This truck was very well cared for by it's only owner. Yearly Hazmat/emissions inspections were conducted.
I can't be sure what the third digit in C5_E-9425-F is. It looks like part of the letter has been chipped off. It could be a T or an F. We should check into possibilities.
What does the 40 DIF on the driver side under block mean?
The valve covers have been painted so I can't get any info from them. And the engine is installed in the truck and in perfect working order so I can't get to some of the block marks.
Let me know where else I should look.
I really want to know what size the engine is. If it was replaced with another 330/332 or larger.
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Erich, One thing that you might do is grab a 14 ga. white house wire about 6-8" long. Remove one of the front spark plugs, and the coil wire. Have a friend turn the engine a couple rounds with a socket on the crank nut. Poke the wire in the hole. With a Sharpie resting on the manifold against the wire, measure the length of the mark left by the rotation.

That might help getting started by knowing the stroke.



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Old 07-04-2009, 12:20 PM
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Hi, Thanks again John.
I was thinking about that today using a dowel.
I have what I need to remove a spark plug, but does it need to be torqued back it?
I haven't done anything like that with anything other than my 73 VW Westy when I was in college.
Do you know off hand what the stroke distances are for the FE engines? I have seen it somewhere but I can't remember where.
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Bore and stroke for FE's is at the top of the forum under FAQ's:

http://www.clubfte.com/users/ratsmoker/FAQ.html

A 330 has a 3.30 stroke. The 361 has a 3.50 stroke. The 391 has 3.78.

You probably still have a 330, even if it was replaced.

The 3rd character in the C5-- could be a T, as in Truck.

40? DIF = Dearborn Iron Foundry.

The crank snout and a bunch of other stuff is different on the FT engine
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Old 07-06-2009, 01:28 PM
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Thanks guys,
I am going to measure the stroke with a dowel rod today.
It will be a good start. I am also replacing the Oil filter adapter housing, when I replaced the oil pressure sending unit I found that someone had used some kind of sealant to rig a crack in the housing at the bottom of the Oil Pressure sender. I managed to get a good deal on a new one....I don't like any surprises when it comes to the oil system. I lost my 1985 Merc. 300sd that way. I certainly don't want to have to replace my perfectly fine engine in my truck because some fool rigged something instead of repairing it. This truck is no Volkswagen of the 60's and 70's. I plan to continue to baby it.
My wife is jealous, but she's coming around.
Anyway thanks again,
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Erich, Use a dowel if it makes you happy, the reason I recommend a white 14ga. house wire is because it is smaller than a wooden dowel and the black mark left by a Sharpie shows up well. The dowel that I used once drug and rubbed, the wire with a very slight bend in it does not.


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Yeah, I have some 14 gauge solid wire around here so I might use that. Good point about the sharpie marks.
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:18 PM
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I figured out that my engine is an FT not an FE, by the 10 bolts per exhaust manifold.
I wonder if that helps at all.
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That, the front cover and engine mounts, and the wire down the hole will tell the tale. 3.30 = 330, 3.50 = 361.

How does that 2 speed axle work? Is there a sticker on the visor telling you how to shift it? Downshifts and split shifts are tricky.

DO NOT try to downshift it like a transmission, like you would to slow down etc.
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:05 PM
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the two speed axle is easy. If you are trying to pull or are loaded down, the orange plunger should be pushed in. That is the lower ratio on the rear axle. Up is the higher ratio. It is sort of like overdrive in a way, except you essentially have 8 gears. I mostly drive it in high. here's how it works. I start the truck in neutral., then I push the clutch pedal in, at this point you can select rear low or high, then I put the floor shifter in 2nd gear and drive as normal. The 1st gear is a granny gear which to my understanding is a very low gear that is used to get the truck moving when loaded and is not needed under normal driving so I always use 2nd-4th and downshift while slowing but do not include the 1st/granny gear. It doesn't have synchronizers for 1st(granny gear), so you can only put it in that gear when you are at a complete stop. The other day I pulled my old 1985 300sd out of the shed to get rid of it and I used granny/low rear speed and I really couldn't even tell that I was pulling anything. With that eaton 2 speed rear end and the np435 4 speed you really have a great pulling combo.
In addition, if I was pulling a heavy load for a distance I would start in 1st/granny with low rear end gear and progress through 4th and then I would push in the clutch and pull the oranger plunger up tyo shift into 4th/high rear gear. It is in a way like over drive.
The truck will do 65 or better in 4th/high but with heavy duty tires and leaf springs it isn't a comfortable ride. But this truck wasn't really built for comfort, it was built for pulling and utility.
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Post 10 here:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/84...ed-button.html

If you are upshifting--going lo to hi--using the clutch and it works, OK I guess. We did not use the clutch on upshifts.

65 mph is plenty. Our '58 with the 292 ran out of steam about 60.
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Old 07-09-2009, 03:03 PM
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Thanks for the link. I had no Idea what split shifting was. I don't think I'll try it.
I'll probably just stick to High rear setting unless I'm going to pull........I already said that in the post at the link/thread above.
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