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[quote=NumberDummy;7681999]On 1973/79 F250's for example, there were FOUR different GVW's: 6100, 6900, 7500 and 8100 lbs.[quote]

Are these gvw numbers located on the door?
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On 1973/79 F250's for example, there were FOUR different GVW's: 6100, 6900, 7500 and 8100 lbs.
Are these gvw numbers located on the door?
The GVW is located on the Warranty Plate, which will be found on the left door face below the latch.
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On 1973/79 F250's for example, there were FOUR different GVW's: 6100, 6900, 7500 and 8100 lbs.
that is just some of the available gvws? or are those the base gvw and there were options to increase it?

one of my 77s has a gvw of 7700lbs the other 77 has a gvw of 8200lbs and my 78 has a gvw of 8400lbs. none of those numbers were litsed preiviously so i'm just curious how they got to those numbers.
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that is just some of the available gvws? or are those the base gvw and there were options to increase it?

one of my 77s has a gvw of 7700lbs the other 77 has a gvw of 8200lbs and my 78 has a gvw of 8400lbs. none of those numbers were litsed preiviously so i'm just curious how they got to those numbers.
Those four GVW's (6100, 6900, 7500, 8100 lbs.) are what is listed in the 1973/79 Ford Light Truck Parts Catalog for F250's.

There could be more...these are the ones I'm most familiar with, as they are needed to get the correct "Brake Differential Proportioning Valve" for 1975/79 F250's.

You'll need this parts catalog to find all the various GVW's, as I do not know where else they can be found.

To find out what the correct GVW is, either look on the Warranty Plate, or post the MODEL code off the Warranty Plate. I can decode the MODEL code.

In fact, I can type all the GVW's for all the 1973/79's...but...I'd rather not, as there are myriad different ones.

The first three digits of the VIN itself doesn't tell much of anything when decoded.
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Weaker frame? What on Earth made you say that?
The 73-77.5 F250 4x4's i.e. "highboys" have a ladder type frame and an additional crossmember under the front bumper which inherently makes them stronger by the very nature of their design when compared to the 77.5-79 F250 4x4's i.e "lowboy's" frame, it's just my opinion and others may disagree but i'm standing by it.
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300,351M,400 are the stock engines from 77-79. Swapping in a 429/460 is a fairly well documented engine swap with aftermarket support. 351M/400 are identical blocks.

300 and 360 were pre-77 4x4 engines. 360 has identical block to a 390. Swapping in a 352,390,410,427,428 in place of a 360 is simple.

Stock differential gearing in F100(150) should be roughly 3:50 F250 would be 4:11. If you drive at Freeway speed, that makes for some high rpms.
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im totally inexperienced with trucks. What does dentside mean?
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Nickname for the 1973-79 trucks due to the character depression on the body.
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Ok, I have cleaned this thread up. Lets keep it technical and leave the petty bickering on the curb!!

Oh and the 351M is a modified version of the 400 that was introduced in 1970, I believe, in the LTD. The 351M came along in 75 as mentioned above.
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Is there much difference in performance and reliability between the 351M and the 400?
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Ok, I have cleaned this thread up. Lets keep it technical and leave the petty bickering on the curb!!

That's all very well and good. However, do you honestly believe that a certain 14 year old smarmy kid can keep his opinions to himself?

Oh and the 351M is a modified version of the 400 that was introduced in 1970, I believe, in the LTD. The 351M came along in 75 as mentioned above.
The 400 introduced in 1971 in Galaxie/LTD's, Mercury Marquis, Torino's and Mercury Montego's.

The 390 was continued in Galaxie/LTD's only thru 1971.
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What a load of CACA del TORO!

That so called mechanic doesn't know his *** from a hole in the ground!

There is NO SUCH THING as Midland inre to the 351M...PERIOD!

Where exactly in Midland TX is there any Ford assembly plant? There is exactly N-O-N-E = NONE!

The M stands for MODIFIED, and has since the engine debuted in the following 1975 passenger cars: LTD, Torino, Mercury Marquis, Cougar.
Since you have made this claim as an absolute would you please produce the Ford documentation PROVING it. because it's NOT true.

There is NOT a midland TX ford plant but there IS a midland MI, which did have the casting plant that DID cast the origninal 351m/400 blocks and if you follow most of fords engine designations for 351s basing it on the cities associated with the engine (iwndsor and cleveland to be exact) Midland actually makes a LOT more sense then modified. So without proof it's just an M, but I have known Ford engineers just like you have and they claim midland, others claim modified. The "experts" would say anyone making the claim of it standing for "modified" is a so called self proclaimed expert with no knowledge or proof.

This is one of those arguments that can not be won because there is no verifiable proof so anyone making a definitive claim of knowledge is wrong, no matter who or what their claim is.
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That reminds me...the refs.

Parts catalogs state 351M as modified.

You do know at one time, the Windsor engine was NOT produced at the Windsor plant? And only the 351s had the plant designation. The rest didn't.

How does Midland makes more sense? Ford just took the 400, modified it into a 351 CID engine, and called it 351 modified.
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so, is there much difference in performance between the 2 engines? is one 'better' than the other?
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so, is there much difference in performance between the 2 engines? is one 'better' than the other?
Well the 400 of course has more CI so theoretically should have more hp. I think the 400 has higher compression as well. The compression is still pretty flippin low though.
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