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Old 07-02-2009, 06:45 PM
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Upgraded my early 99! Not what I expected...

Well I ended up taking the plunge and upgraded the turbo to a 4 inch ported compressor housing with the 4 inch compressor wheel and 1.0 AR exhaust housing, and got a DP Tuner. It is a lot smoother at idle, and it runs stronger but the turbo does not spool up until around 2,000 RPMS and I am getting a lot of black smoke on all tunes. I got the 40tow, 60tow and 80econ. Would an adrenaline pump help cure the smoke issue as well as helping the turbo spool sooner? I am concerened when I tow my 17,000 pound trailer that I will be struggling to get the turbo to wind up. Am I stuck having to buy bigger injectors as well as a bigger HPOP now?
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Old 07-02-2009, 06:53 PM
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black smoke indicates that you have a lot of fuel, and your turbo is not spuling fast enough, maybe upgrading to a bigger housing was a mistake.. whet turbo did you install ?
stock 99.5?
BTW if i were you i would check the install once again, cause you might just have boost leak too, the back of the turbo, which is a common problem.
and dont waist you money on adrenaline for sure...
take flashlight and look for soot marks somwhere around up pipes, and back of the turbo.
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Bigger injectors would come hand in hand with higher EGT's. If you thought the smoke was bad now, that turbo with bigger injectors will fog for mesquitos in two seperate counties at one time. Forgot to mention your clutch would be quivering in it's pressure plate. Sorry man, all in fun.

If you're looking for suggestions I would suggest a bigger truck or smaller trailer. You're gonna sink alot of money into a truck that shouldn't pull that load.
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Old 07-02-2009, 06:56 PM
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How can I check for boost leaks?
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Old 07-02-2009, 06:59 PM
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black smoke indicates that you have a lot of fuel, and your turbo is not spuling fast enough, maybe upgrading to a bigger housing was a mistake.. whet turbo did you install ?
stock 99.5?
BTW if i were you i would check the install once again, cause you might just have boost leak too, the back of the turbo, which is a common problem.
and dont waist you money on adrenaline for sure...
take flashlight and look for soot marks somwhere around up pipes, and back of the turbo.
Ron's turbo service took a 2003 turbo and put a bigger compressor housing and bigger exhaust housing on it. I liked the way my early 99 turbo spooled up quickly.
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Old 07-02-2009, 07:27 PM
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Check for and eliminate all sources of exhaust and/or boost leaks before considering anything more.
I think with your setup you should be able to spool up pretty quickly if everything is tight.
But you do have to give it a little time to spool.
If everything is tight, with that trailer on there it will be a very nice setup, IMO.
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I have that same setup and no smoke problem. I would definitely check for boost leaks before buying anything else.
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I think it might be the driver side up pipe. I can twist the pipe. Would one leaking up pipe make that much difference in boost?
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Check the new intake runners too cause if they didn't get sealed properly then you could be loosing boost there. Very hard to find those though cause you don't have the soot like on the exhaust side. Check all clamps and boots to make sure nothing's loose too.
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Fordf350 did you install the bellowed up pipes? I would highly recommend doing so. I just resently updated mine as well and im running the stock compressor housing with a 1.0 exhaust housing and compared to stock 99 it takes only a fraction of a second longer to spool. But power is good and continues to pull throughtout the rpm range.
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and dont waist you money on adrenaline for sure...
Why would you say this? I have an Adrenaline pump on my truck with stock turbo & injectors. She pulls more consistently through the RPM range and smoke is down, both of which I would say are benefits. Plus, when I go to single shots & a slightly bigger turbo, I'll have the volume from my HPOP to maintain higher pressures and take better advantage of the added fuel. I know my tuning will need to be changed but I plan on going to single-shots anyway. I don't think the Adrenaline is the solution to the issue he's having, but it is a very good product. So again... I'm curious why you say this.
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Why would you say this? I have an Adrenaline pump on my truck with stock turbo & injectors. She pulls more consistently through the RPM range and smoke is down, both of which I would say are benefits. Plus, when I go to single shots & a slightly bigger turbo, I'll have the volume from my HPOP to maintain higher pressures and take better advantage of the added fuel. I know my tuning will need to be changed but I plan on going to single-shots anyway. I don't think the Adrenaline is the solution to the issue he's having, but it is a very good product. So again... I'm curious why you say this.
Throwing an Adrenaline pump at this problem to cure smoke would be a waste of money - the smoke would not go away until the real cause is found and fixed.
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The fact that one of the up-pipes is loose enough to twist in your hand is proof enough of needing to address boost problems before proceeding to anything else.
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Why would you say this? I have an Adrenaline pump on my truck with stock turbo & injectors. She pulls more consistently through the RPM range and smoke is down, both of which I would say are benefits. Plus, when I go to single shots & a slightly bigger turbo, I'll have the volume from my HPOP to maintain higher pressures and take better advantage of the added fuel. I know my tuning will need to be changed but I plan on going to single-shots anyway. I don't think the Adrenaline is the solution to the issue he's having, but it is a very good product. So again... I'm curious why you say this.
I think he was meaning, "Don't go spending your money on something else when you don't know that is the issue at hand." At least that's the way I took it. Don't waste your money on something you probably don't need right now.
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I think it might be the driver side up pipe. I can twist the pipe. Would one leaking up pipe make that much difference in boost?
ABSOLUTELY!
For good boost, you have to have good drive pressure and the best drive pressure is generated by an exhaust that is close to being hermetically sealed.
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FWIW, I have a stock setup with the bellowed up-pipes and I can make the smoke bellow out if I lug the engine, but as soon as the turbo hits, the smoke completely dissappears, even on the 80hp tune.
Truck takes off like a scalded dog too.
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Good points to look for. I did not know that a small leak like that would limit boost that much!
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