You are correct ... positve tests are not an accident. The 2nd test validates the 1st, though.
Don't misunderstand what I'm advocating here. I'm not saying let him go, rather, let's not condemn him till there is 100%, iron clad evidence that he's guilty. Without the validation, the first test means nothing other than a stigma, at this point.
Once he's tested again and it comes back positive with validation, then you guys can stone him ... nice pun, eh?
You can't test for meth and accidentally get a positive result....
Really? That's interesting. But also rather difficult for me to believe unfortunately, without knowing exactly how that is possible. The only way I can see that possible is that they are testing for a very particular chemical, that never ever ever occurs under any other circumstance.... and the testing is done perfectly. Now, let's assume those conditions exist, that would then mean that the results from "Sample A" would exactly, with no variance whatsoever, match the results from "Sample B"....
Did it?
I'm not a fan of this guy... in fact, I had never heard his name before this topic. I don't watch NASCAR. Yes, I realize that there is much more to it than just going in circles, but that's all it is to me. I'm more a FIA Rallye fan... you know, left & right turns.... hills.... gravel... ice... Anyway...
All of us are going off VERY little information... i.e. we know of a single positive result.... what were the results of the 2nd test? We know nothing of the methodology used. Just because it is a NASCAR sanctioned lab does not automatically mean they are using the best methods & practices.
If he is a meth-head, and by that I mean a habitual user, then yes, boot him. If he did it once... well, I wouldn't admire him, but once is once. Stupid in my opinion, but how many of the top NASCAR drivers drink enough to be over the legal limit on a regular basis? How many of us do it? Are we all so snow white pure & perfect that we can't allow a guy that drives a car to make one single mistake? Seriously???
No matter what, this guy's livelihood & career have been damaged... quite likely irreparably so... all for what might turn out to be either a single isolated incident, or indeed, a false positive...
Does anyone have a reputable source for more detail on this.... and better yet.... is it really worth the effort?
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I hate to see a life ruined because corporate America (and you) are quick to pass judgement.
What about now? Can I call him a meth head now?...Or still to soon?
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You are correct ... positve tests are not an accident. The 2nd test validates the 1st, though.
Don't misunderstand what I'm advocating here. I'm not saying let him go, rather, let's not condemn him till there is 100%, iron clad evidence that he's guilty. Without the validation, the first test means nothing other than a stigma, at this point.
Once he's tested again and it comes back positive with validation, then you guys can stone him ... nice pun, eh?
But ask yourself ... would you want me or your groupies as a jury of your peers?
How many tests would you like then to prove he wasnt on meth? Two isnt enough?
Who are you refering to as "groupies" and who would the "groupies" be following?
Just beacuse a few people disagreed with what you said doesnt make us all John's "groupies". We might agree with him on one point but doesnt mean we follow him around and agree to everything he says...
Personally If I wouldnt want you on thw jury because you seem to think that "the man" is always wrong and to fast to judge someone, so your a little bias as it is.
If it walks like a meth duck, quacks like a meth duck, snorts like a meth duck, lies like a meth duck...it prob is a meth duck...right John?
I am sure he will say Michael jacksons doctor gave it to him....or it blew out of someones elses car and right up his nose, he thought it was from a pixie stix, it was for medicinal purposes, he never really inhaled, he was born addicted and never got help, the devil made him do it, he was framed like roger rabbit, the meth fairy sprinkled hi with it as he slept, he is getting a bad rap because he likes jeff gordon, he is lonely, its quicker than viagra, tastes like chicken, he thought he was driving the "tide car" and thought using powder would help boost sponsorship, he wanted to get high enough to find out how many licks it does take to get to center of tootsie pop.......
hell with how many licks..how many positive tests till people believe he is a meth user.
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I would like to point out what seems to be missed here (first I don't watch nascar and could care less BUT I am a truck driver and I am subject to random drug test and actually know what the procedures are, both as a driver and previously as a company owner)
There is a reason the federal laws dealing with random drug tests demand a double sample, and IF the first sample comes back positive the second sample is to be sent to a DIFFERENT independent lab for testing. In this case, the lab that did the first test came up with a positive, and almost immediately opened the second sample and tested it too. Now if this lab is actually certified to actually do this type of drug testing they KNOW the law (mainly because they become liable when it's messed up) and they violated the set federal procedures which tells me the KNEW there was something wrong with their testing when it popped positive.
So with that said, I would say we have a false positive, and the fact that nascar threatened him with "don't you dare sue, or we will mark you" and "you must go through our rehab (they called it something else" pretty much tells me this is a very questionable deal.
So I would say since others, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck it's could be a lab that has contaminated equipment, knows it and was trying to cover their butt. Otherwise they would have followed established federal guidelines even if NASCAR is a private entity, they are still required to follow federal guidelines when doing random drug testing that involves public safety.
So instead of jumping to conclusions, maybe take a look at the people that were doing things wrong and ask why?
this may be true on the first part Rob, but he failed the second test, and his step mother gave sworn testamony that she saw him do it over 30 times.
i think that gives me the rite to say strike 3 as far as i am concerned.
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but he failed the second test, and his step mother gave sworn testamony that she saw him do it over 30 times.
i think that gives me the rite to say strike 3 as far as i am concerned.
And I don't see any one disputing that.
It's all the Jr. High "told ya so" antics that is REALLy disappointing.
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