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Old 06-29-2009, 08:06 PM
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Truck smokes more then I do!

Lol, It does too, Anyways thanks for looking. My truck is a 04 f350 6.0 123k miles. First problem i have had with the truck since buying it in 2005. While idleing she has a constant white smoke. Starts evertime, no real power lossage, except while putting some rpms on her the smoke turns black and one cylinder is making alot of racket. Also the turbo sounds like it has a leak, while revving her up some. I have read thru the threads pretty thickly so i havent tried any disconnecting the icp, or running with the cap off yet without words of wisdom from the men of the hour.
Coolant level is good, oil has no signs of burning or water or dieseled down. Fuel filter is clean. I just emptied the tank almost and put in some different fuel. I thought i got some bad fuel at a gas station because that is when it started, when i went to a gas station i never went to before. Well i just got out of the navy after 10 years so im broke and cannot afford a mechanic. Im savy, so just some good troubleshooting tips will be very appreciated.
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:38 PM
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Unfortunately if you have a constant white smoke then it usually is an egr cooler that has let go severly, but since you said you have no coolant loss then it may be the turbo seals that have failed, make sure the smoke isn't slightly blue when you gun it. I am a Ford Mechanic and I have never seen it be cause by anything else given the circumstances you described. Either way it looks like it will be expensive, pull the egr valve to make sure you don't have dampness in intake signally coolant.
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Old 06-30-2009, 08:34 PM
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Thank you for the quick response, I figured it wouldn't be cheap. I shall do as suggested, I dont recall seeing any blue smoke, although going from black to white, vice verse can play tricks on the mind.
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check the FICM ground connections and plug, might be cheap and wont cost you anything.
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Mine did not show coolant loss for a few days after I noticed the white smoke. EGR Cooler Bypass from First Coast Diesel cured mine completely
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Old 07-02-2009, 11:54 PM
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Thanks again for the replies, EGR will be pulled tomm to be checked. Grounds are good, and I will be looking heavily into the investment of the EGR cooler bypass.
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Old 07-03-2009, 07:52 AM
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Did you ever smell the white smoke to see if was a heavy diesel fuel smell or smelled like it was sweet?
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Old 07-03-2009, 03:38 PM
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I have a similiar problem on a 2003 F250 6.0L diesel at work, whitish smoke and tons of it constantly. It also has some engine noise and if you snap the throttle the smoke turns black momentarily then returns to white/grey regardless of where you hold the throttle.

Some background, the truck was smoking blue and on inspection we found the turbo was leaking oil internally so ordered and replaced with a Ford reman from the dealer. Drove approx 200+ miles no problems but then started smoking blue again but even worse this time. The turbo was leaking so badly it actually was filling the exhaust with unburnt oil, to the point of dripping through the flex pipe. So once again order reman turbo and install but this time it immediatly starts smoking white/grey smoke (not blue) and lot's of it and after warm acquires a metallic tapping noise. I should also mention this time we sent the intercooler out to be tested and flushed. A few minutes after the tapping started we turned it off (seems to be coming from the left cyl head) but when we tried to restart it so we could park it we found the engine had hydrauliced(sp) so we pushed it out. So far this time I've pressure tested the coolant system and it holds 18psi for well over a 1/2 hour with engine shut off and doesn't rise while running, the coolant level is not dropping, the oil level, color and smell are all fine. No bubbles in the coolant while running or exhaust smell from the tank. The exhaust itself smells like diesel fuel but looks and dissipates like burnt coolant (not thick like oil). We're stumped ! The plan now is to ship it off to Ford and have them diagnose it but I was wondering what you guys think so........

Oh I forgot to tell you, after sitting a few days I was curious so I turned the key and the engine fired up (was no longer hydraulicly locked) but still smokes, etc,.
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I think I know but what is a FICM and ICP ?
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FICM - fuel injection control module
ICP - Injection control pressure
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FICM - fuel injection control module
ICP - Injection control pressure
Thanks that's what I thought.
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Matt, Your discrepency sounds damn near identicle to my problem, the tapping of a cylinder sound is coming from the port (left) side. My truck hasn't had a problem starting, although at optimum operating temperature and i shut the truck down, she does take a few more seconds to start, also I have not seen blue smoke yet, hence yet.. I havent taken off the egr yet. I know lazy bastage i am, kids, anyhoo i did start it up this morning and looked in the engine, I did see and hear a smokey hissing coming from the just left of center, in he rear part of the engine. X is center rear part of engine nacelle; ----.-x------ . And i havent pressure tested the coolant system as of yet. I will pull the egr for sure tomorrow for further prognosis. Thank you all for your expertise opinions.
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My truck has started smoking blue in the exhaust also and it's getting exponentially worse. If it was rings (140K miles) I wouldn't think they would go as quickly as it has started smoking. Is there any GOOD way to diagnose leaking turbo oil seals besides pulling the turbo? I can do it in less than 30 minutes but prefer not to disturb the pipes if I don't have to.
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I dug a little deeper yesterday and pulled the turbo output duct so engine was naturally aspirated and the "whitish" smoke decreased and darkened somewhat. I then took the duct off the intake and partially blocked the intake at which point the smoke decreased more still and darkened even more. From this I've deducted that I have an over fueling problem to the point of raw fuel making it's way to the exhaust hence the whitish smoke (not burnt coolant as I first thought).

The problem that worries me more is that after messing around for awhile and the engine reaching operating temp a loud knocking noise started coming from the left side of the engine, loudest through the LF wheel well. I'm thinking the over fueling problem mentioned above has caused some internal engine damage ie rod bearings, etc,.

Thoughts ??
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If you hydrolocked and aren't loosing coolant then it's from fuel and possibly a failed injector. The hydrolock can relieve itself by the liquid leaking past the rings into the crankcase. I would guess that most hydrolock damage occures from trying to start the engine instead of removing the glow plugs and relieving the pressure or simply letting the motor sit like you did. FWIW......It would be VERY hard (if not impossible) to overfuel one of these engines with stock injectors (unless one had failed) since they are so small (especially compared to many of the large injectors available today) on stock programming.
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