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Old 07-06-2009, 11:39 AM
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I didn't think I had this problem on my 2009 screw xlt, but then I overheard my wife telling a friend yesterday that when she drives it, the vent at her feet freezes her foot. Of course I'm hot natured so it probably just feels cool to me and I never notice. I'll have to take a look when I get home....I have manual a/c and I always leave it on max a/c.
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my college roomate was complaining one time when we were driving back to college (years ago) during the entire 5 hour ride that his feet were roasting....complained the entire time and when he got out they were soaking wet.....didn't realize the heater core was leaking all over his feet the whole drive.....


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It's called "floor bleed".....

Ok, let me chime in on this.
I've been testing vehicles for Ford for 15yrs, and I've done the very testing that this symptom falls into on more occasions than I care to remember. I've probably logged more wind tunnel hours than most of Ford's climate engineers at this point.
Why do I care about this you say??? I now own a 2009 XLT Screw.

I just took it north for the weekend, a hot weekend here in Michigan. Friday's drive up was in the 80's and Sunday's drive home was in the 90's outside.
The drive was 3 yrs long each way and by the one hour point I was trying to find a traffic pattern to follow so that I could keep the truck in cruise control so I could pull my foot off the pedal to warm up. I was wearing NB cross trainers with a mesh front over the top of your foot. My foot literally hurt from the cold air. I've been in vehicle evaluations before and had "hot foot" during heater tests, but never cold foot to this extent.

The problem stems from too much "floor bleed" in max a/c mode, I didn't feel it as much in fresh a/c mode, but then again I was already cold. Max a/c mode is panel mode, recirc air (typically higher air flow). The amount of air that comes out of any given opening is calibrated into the vehicle during the design of the air handling system. EATC (electronic automatic temp control) works the same but is a lot "smarter" and makes adjustment based on various imputs from the driver, and numerous sensors (ambient, sunload). Since it's "smarter" it can do a lot more with the air available to it. Manual controls aren't as capable and any issues with them and typically a bit harder to solve.
I've started a complaint process with my dealer, and for the time being I'm forced to use black duct tape as a fix. Unfortunately, if this can't be fixed with a calibration change, we might be doomed to keeping our duct tape on and cutting our own air outlets in them until we get it where we like it.
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Ok, let me chime in on this.
I've been testing vehicles for Ford for 15yrs, and I've done the very testing that this symptom falls into on more occasions than I care to remember. I've probably logged more wind tunnel hours than most of Ford's climate engineers at this point.
Why do I care about this you say??? I now own a 2009 XLT Screw.

I just took it north for the weekend, a hot weekend here in Michigan. Friday's drive up was in the 80's and Sunday's drive home was in the 90's outside.
The drive was 3 yrs long each way and by the one hour point I was trying to find a traffic pattern to follow so that I could keep the truck in cruise control so I could pull my foot off the pedal to warm up. I was wearing NB cross trainers with a mesh front over the top of your foot. My foot literally hurt from the cold air. I've been in vehicle evaluations before and had "hot foot" during heater tests, but never cold foot to this extent.

The problem stems from too much "floor bleed" in max a/c mode, I didn't feel it as much in fresh a/c mode, but then again I was already cold. Max a/c mode is panel mode, recirc air (typically higher air flow). The amount of air that comes out of any given opening is calibrated into the vehicle during the design of the air handling system. EATC (electronic automatic temp control) works the same but is a lot "smarter" and makes adjustment based on various imputs from the driver, and numerous sensors (ambient, sunload). Since it's "smarter" it can do a lot more with the air available to it. Manual controls aren't as capable and any issues with them and typically a bit harder to solve.
I've started a complaint process with my dealer, and for the time being I'm forced to use black duct tape as a fix. Unfortunately, if this can't be fixed with a calibration change, we might be doomed to keeping our duct tape on and cutting our own air outlets in them until we get it where we like it.
WOW....finally someone that knows exactly what i'm talking about and that might actually have a little bit of "pull" on the issue!!! I also finally resolved it with black duct tape. The only problem i have with the tape is that it will have to come off in the winter and the issue is still there except in reverse (heat vs cold) and then your foot will start sweating then you step outside and freeze instantly!!! So in this case would it help the complaint process to go faster if people were to call in to Ford CS or with your "pull" it's enough??? I really want this thing fixed!!!

Thanks for chiming in with this. I like where it's going so far anyways!!!
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Contact Ford and tell them it's a safty issue because your foot gets numb and you cant control the truck fully.

Is till dont have the issue and i have my AC cranked every day and i wear flipflops most days also. Just done a 2000+ in the last couple of weeks and didnt have that problem once. I can feel it a tiny bit on my toes but if i didnt think about it i wouldnt know it was doing it.
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EATC vs. Manual controls

Please keep in mind, trucks with EATC (typically Lariat, KR, and Platinum) more than likely will not exibit this issue, or if they do it might only be for a short time. I would guess the air handling cases are a bit different.

I unfortunately don't have any "pull" on my end, although I am looking to talk with one of the calibrators or an air handling engineer. I don't currently work for the company, and my company wasn't the one that designed and built the evaporator case or air handling unit.

I feel your pain though, this was the worst drive I've ever had in a Ford truck, and it's a shame because I love the truck otherwise.
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Please keep in mind, trucks with EATC (typically Lariat, KR, and Platinum) more than likely will not exibit this issue, or if they do it might only be for a short time. I would guess the air handling cases are a bit different.

I unfortunately don't have any "pull" on my end, although I am looking to talk with one of the calibrators or an air handling engineer. I don't currently work for the company, and my company wasn't the one that designed and built the evaporator case or air handling unit.

I feel your pain though, this was the worst drive I've ever had in a Ford truck, and it's a shame because I love the truck otherwise.
well mine must be a rare case cause it is a lariat and it's freakin' anyoing!!! I just can't stand it at all!!!
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