I understand they will be lower and all the variables. The 6.4 dyno I referenced is a completely stock pickup, tires and all. The number it came up with are pretty good when compared to the advertised numbers by ford. From the limited numbers I have found on the V10's they seem like a larger drop than the 6.4. Why I don't know, but I am guessing it is due to the competition in the diesel market.
Dyno readings are not consistent from dyno to dyno. I can take any vehicle out there, and place it on 3 different dynos on the same day, and get 3 totally different sets of numbers. The only good way to use a dyno is for back-to back tests for seeing gains from parts installation. Comparing dynos from 2 different locations on 2 different days is not accurate at all.
JL
the numbers are much lower than the ones you guys are throwing around here, 218hp and from what I can tell from the pic it looks like around 260tq, but I could be wrong on that. There is a stock 6.4 on youtube run at 274hp and 630tq. Seems like ford is inflating the number on the V10 a lot more than the 6.4 so maybe some of the math needs to be re figured there.
Here's a stock 6.4 dyno sheet posted by Senix a few months ago:
Yes, I know...I own a PSD and am siding with the V10 crowd here. JL is correct in the fact that numbers can vary quite a bit from dyno to dyno. I'm not doubting the 274 HP dyno sheet you saw, but at the same time unless you get both a stock 6.4 and a stock 3V V10 on the SAME dyno, these comparisons are relatively meaningless.
Why is it that everyone seems to insist on the idea that the powerplant they bought in their truck is superior to ALL ELSE. Why can't people see past their own justifications for their choice? Both engines are rated to tow almost identical weights, and they are within 3% on peak power output....I just don't get it!
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The V10 is trash talked by PSD guys so much that we just fight back in defense.
No matter how you look at it they come out the same for pulling and cost.
BTW, for the guys that say, well my PS will out last the V10, I can overhaul it for less then the cost of a turbo or an injector pump.
Either way I look at it, those are all pretty sad numbers compared to what everyone's preaching. I always refer to pay and trucks as to what you're left holding- what you bring home AFTER all deductions, and HP/TQ as what's put to the ground. I got mods, but I do like my 320hp/704ftlbs at the ground. And this was done on Johns Woods dyno, and if he ain't running a tight ship then I don't know who is.....
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I fight for America so I buy from America- who are you fighting for?
BTW, for the guys that say, well my PS will out last the V10, I can overhaul it for less then the cost of a turbo or an injector pump.
Solly Cholly, WRONG- rebuilt turbo on ebay- $500-$800. Brand new from dealer $1100. Brand new HPOP $350 on ebay.
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I fight for America so I buy from America- who are you fighting for?
And if you read the thread that was posted in you find out why the low torque numbers. I guess it is just a numbers game and if you don't like the numbers you have you can just go find some that you do like!
I got a question. Has anyone actually put a lot of miles on their V10's truly working? Say hauling cars, hot shot, towing new rv, etc. I would be curious to see how they hold up in that scenario.
I have. I have done all the things you said plus lots of scrap towing. In the last year I put 30K on the truck towing scrap.
I am up to 160K and have never had a problem with the motor.
On a long hill yesterday towing my rear end started going bad, but that would happen with the PSD too.
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my V10 will out pull your PSD any day of the week.
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Originally Posted by Jmeyer1990 ... but i kept losing service in Victoria's Sectret, so I gave up.
Originally Posted by bghnkinf250
Can I retrofit a catalytic converter to my butt?
I have. I have done all the things you said plus lots of scrap towing. In the last year I put 30K on the truck towing scrap.
I am up to 160K and have never had a problem with the motor.
On a long hill yesterday towing my rear end started going bad, but that would happen with the PSD too.
I guess I was talking about commercial hauling. When I hauled cars I put 100k on my 99 F350 in just a little over 9 months most of the time grossing over 30k running all over the US. I sold that pickup to a guy hauling new horse trailers (which is an easy pull) and last I heard it was over 300k without anything more than the clutches which I had a hard time with as well.
Not saying this is the only way to work a pickup, but I know it is hard on them and the PSD handled the stress fine.
I guess I was talking about commercial hauling. When I hauled cars I put 100k on my 99 F350 in just a little over 9 months most of the time grossing over 30k running all over the US. I sold that pickup to a guy hauling new horse trailers (which is an easy pull) and last I heard it was over 300k without anything more than the clutches which I had a hard time with as well.
Not saying this is the only way to work a pickup, but I know it is hard on them and the PSD handled the stress fine.
The scrap yard is close, so I do not put a lot on it.
Most of those miles are city with 12-18K combined.
I have an E350, so I am stuck with a tag along and can not go 5th wheel.
At least not with out a lot of cutting, LOL.
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Originally Posted by Jmeyer1990 ... but i kept losing service in Victoria's Sectret, so I gave up.
Originally Posted by bghnkinf250
Can I retrofit a catalytic converter to my butt?
and guess my rear end will handle 800 lb-ft of torques (sic)
I keep it maintained, I just had a lot of weight and hit a long, steep hill.
I heard an odd noise and the gears had a lot of slack and were way to hot when I stopped to check.
I took the cover off 1 year ago and all was good. It had no slop, no wear marks nothing.
It was like new until the hill i went up yesterday.
Not to mention whether or not the dyno was set to display "flywheel" numbers (guesstimate).
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