V10 vs psd

[HuntsDucks70]

Originally Posted by phillips91 You would also be simply amazed at the amount of real world success I have seen with the 6.0 as well. Millions of combined miles without one single problem. Trucks that are put through hell on a daily basis(oil field roads), maxed out gvwr's, left idling for 10-15 hours at a time on our locations, only shut off to change the oil, etc, and not one single problem. Does that mean that the 6.0 doesn't have any problems with head gaskets? all that can be said here is: Ford vs. Navi lawsuit, there were so many warranty claims that Ford went to Navi for help with costs (has this ever happened before?), Ford kicks Navi to the curb and builds in-house (they obviously went this route because the 6.blow was so relaiable) the 7.3, now that is a diesel to speak highly of, my cousins 05 blew a HG and he was driving on the street, no load, bone stock, even the tires are stock, that is pathetic, especially considering the premium that come with the diesel option, and there's my other cousins 03 and my friends 07 that had so many issues he got rid of it (AND HE LOVED THIS TRUCK) i just took my truck in for the cruise control recall and guess what, 3 6.0s on three different flat beds, not saying it was engine related, but???

[phillips91]

Originally Posted by HuntsDucks70

all that can be said here is: Ford vs. Navi lawsuit, there were so many warranty claims that Ford went to Navi for help with costs (has this ever happened before?), Ford kicks Navi to the curb and builds in-house (they obviously went this route because the 6.blow was so relaiable)

the 7.3, now that is a diesel to speak highly of, my cousins 05 blew a HG and he was driving on the street, no load, bone stock, even the tires are stock, that is pathetic, especially considering the premium that come with the diesel option, and there's my other cousins 03 and my friends 07 that had so many issues he got rid of it (AND HE LOVED THIS TRUCK)

i just took my truck in for the cruise control recall and guess what, 3 6.0s on three different flat beds, not saying it was engine related, but???

I think the whole bit with navi was just ford trying to place blame on someone other than themselves. There were never any problems with the 6.9, 7.3 IDI, or the 7.3 psd and navi never had any problems with the 6.0 in any of their applications. When my cousin had to get his 03 6.0 bought back Ford told him the main problem with it was in the programming and that they were 100% responsible. That was in 2003. Once they saw how big the problem was they tried to blame navi for it. I don't blame navi for not wanting to pay for fixes to an engine that they didn't have the first problem with in their own vehicles.

Are you complimenting the 7.3 or are you saying your cousins 05 7.3 had those problems? There wasn't an 05 7.3, but I'm not sure if those are supposed to be periods or commas. Not busting your chops over punctuation, just seriously asking.

I'm not saying the 6.0 is the most reliable of the diesels. Not by a long shot. But it's not like they all have problems. The problems with it are easily fixed(although I don't agree with having to buy a 50k dollar truck and then take it home and "fix" it once the warranty runs out). If my memory is correct, around 80% of super dutys came with a diesel. With there being 80% more of them on the road, I would expect to see 80% more having problems. If you see 8 6.0's on a trailer and 2 v10's, that's an even representation percentage wise.

I had an 86 van with a 5.0 in it. It was bone stock and had less than 60k miles on it and it blew a head gasket just driving down the road. That would be pathetic too, but it never stopped me from buying another 5.0.

Also, my next door neighbor has had his 6.0 in the shop about 10 times ever since he bought it and it only has 30k miles on it. None of it was engine related though(clutch, 4 wheel drive, wheel bearings,etc). The 3 you saw may have been engine related and they may not have been.

[Lead Head]

Actually several members on here that work with fleet vehicles (ex, School Buses, and other medium duty vehicles) have said that Internationals version of the 6.0 did indeed have some of the same issues as the Ford version.

[phillips91]

Originally Posted by Lead Head

Actually several members on here that work with fleet vehicles (ex, School Buses, and other medium duty vehicles) have said that Internationals version of the 6.0 did indeed have some of the same issues as the Ford version.

If they do have the same issues, then I stand corrected. But I have always read that international had no problems with theirs and that fords problems came from the programming. That was in reputable diesel mags and not in a forum or anything like that like. I only know one person with an international 6.0, but he's never had the first problem with his.

[Johnny Langton]

Originally Posted by phillips91

If they do have the same issues, then I stand corrected. But I have always read that international had no problems with theirs and that fords problems came from the programming. That was in reputable diesel mags and not in a forum or anything like that like. I only know one person with an international 6.0, but he's never had the first problem with his.

You used reputable and magazine in the same sentence.
They're all only as reputable as their paid advertisers allow them to be.
JL

[jrandol]

Originally Posted by phillips91

I think the whole bit with navi was just ford trying to place blame on someone other than themselves. There were never any problems with the 6.9, 7.3 IDI, or the 7.3 psd and navi never had any problems with the 6.0 in any of their applications. When my cousin had to get his 03 6.0 bought back Ford told him the main problem with it was in the programming and that they were 100% responsible. That was in 2003. Once they saw how big the problem was they tried to blame navi for it. I don't blame navi for not wanting to pay for fixes to an engine that they didn't have the first problem with in their own vehicles.

Are you complimenting the 7.3 or are you saying your cousins 05 7.3 had those problems? There wasn't an 05 7.3, but I'm not sure if those are supposed to be periods or commas. Not busting your chops over punctuation, just seriously asking.

I'm not saying the 6.0 is the most reliable of the diesels. Not by a long shot. But it's not like they all have problems. The problems with it are easily fixed(although I don't agree with having to buy a 50k dollar truck and then take it home and "fix" it once the warranty runs out). If my memory is correct, around 80% of super dutys came with a diesel. With there being 80% more of them on the road, I would expect to see 80% more having problems. If you see 8 6.0's on a trailer and 2 v10's, that's an even representation percentage wise.

I had an 86 van with a 5.0 in it. It was bone stock and had less than 60k miles on it and it blew a head gasket just driving down the road. That would be pathetic too, but it never stopped me from buying another 5.0.

Also, my next door neighbor has had his 6.0 in the shop about 10 times ever since he bought it and it only has 30k miles on it. None of it was engine related though(clutch, 4 wheel drive, wheel bearings,etc). The 3 you saw may have been engine related and they may not have been.

Bingo! The fella that happened to have a large hand in the injectors and other technology on the 6.0 happens to own a diesel performance company now. I won't name names as I don't have his permission to share it. However I will say he shared with me what took place during the development on the 6.0 and what actually came off the assembly line with the Ford Stamp on it. I

[phillips91]

Originally Posted by Johnny Langton

You used reputable and magazine in the same sentence.
They're all only as reputable as their paid advertisers allow them to be.
JL

So if anyone wants accurate data the only place they can turn is you?

The article I read basically said that the vt365 uses different injectors, turbo and electronics than the 6.0. It said those parts on the 6.0 are designed by ford and are only used on the powerstroke. It was listing what was bad on the 6.0, why the vt365 didn't have the same problems, and how you could fix the problems on the 6.0 with aftermarket parts. That and the vt365 doesn't have to have the egr crap. That pretty much eliminates anything the 6.0 had a problem with.

[Johnny Langton]

Originally Posted by phillips91

So if anyone wants accurate data the only place they can turn is you?

No,but they damned sure aren't gonna find any of it in a sponsor paid magazine.
JL

[jdadamsjr]

Originally Posted by msgtord

Which handgun to use to blow my brains out!

I wish somebody would blow the brains out of this THREAD.....

oh wait, can't do that - it's all opinion


get what you THINK you need, if it doesn't work out, sell it and get the other...
OR
get BOTH !


It's JUST a truck !!!! not like it's worthy of the Nobel peace prize (snicker, snicker, snicker !)

[Rush117]

Originally Posted by Johnny Langton

You used reputable and magazine in the same sentence.
They're all only as reputable as their paid advertisers allow them to be.
JL

This thread started with the V10'ers (including you if I remember correctly) claiming victory in the V10 vs. psd debate because of a magazine article. Now, there is no such thing as a "reputable magazine." Which is it?

[brian42]

Originally Posted by T8R

You know something is wrong when even Bill seems to have lost interest. I suspect I'm not far behind him. A separate thread would probably suit this conversation better. For those of us wondering how many pages the V10 vs PSD bench racing could go on.... it seems to have fizzled. Still, 150 pages of "my truck is better than you truck".... was impressively entertaining until recently, not to mention a few guys taking a swing at math and *cough* statistics *cough*. Sorry, dirty word around some parts. :-)

Anyone want to volunteer to start the new thread?
(pronounced in an SNL Sean Connery accent)
Suggested thread titles:
1) V10 vs V10
2) 2v vs 3v
3) I drive a diesel... what's a modular?
4) Why did I buy a V10?
5) But I like my V10....
6) I could pull 10k lbs up a hill with a bumper hitch faster than a PSD... without that plug... and still have 1 more cyl than your PSD. (If Bill were to start the thread.)
7) Your mechanic is stoopid.
8) Your engineering is crap.
9) My other ride is your mom.
(Inappropriate for this section because your mom is not a Superduty or Excursion.)
10) I'm glad my PSD doesn't have spark plugs.

This should be a poll. How many times can I vote for #9 !!???!?!!!!

Sorry, after 17 years in the Navy, your sense of humor gets a little skewed.

Originally Posted by HuntsDucks70

i just took my truck in for the cruise control recall and guess what, 3 6.0s on three different flat beds, not saying it was engine related, but???

It is related 100% to the Texas Instruments cruise control switch. This recall has been going on for several years now and has been expanding. This recall also affected my old '97 F-150.

[Johnny Langton]

Originally Posted by Rush117

This thread started with the V10'ers (including you if I remember correctly) claiming victory in the V10 vs. psd debate because of a magazine article. Now, there is no such thing as a "reputable magazine." Which is it?

You cannot argue with time clocks, measured weights and measured distances.
They do not lie. Magazine articles trying to sell you a sponsored vendor's parts do lie. Not outright lies,but half-truths to make the products look as if they're better.
The referenced article was not trying in any way to sell anything,nor was it trying to make any single product stand out in any way. It was an article based on true data collection with hard numbers to publish that cannot be disputed.
JL

[bill11012]

[quote=phillips91;8055204] There were never any problems with the 7.3IDI,QUOTE]

Just really bad cavitation...

I know because I have one that has done it.

[bill11012]

Originally Posted by T8R

You know something is wrong when even Bill seems to have lost interest. I suspect I'm not far behind him. A separate thread would probably suit this conversation better. For those of us wondering how many pages the V10 vs PSD bench racing could go on.... it seems to have fizzled. Still, 150 pages of "my truck is better than you truck".... was impressively entertaining until recently, not to mention a few guys taking a swing at math and *cough* statistics *cough*. Sorry, dirty word around some parts. :-)

Anyone want to volunteer to start the new thread?
(pronounced in an SNL Sean Connery accent)
Suggested thread titles:
6) I could pull 10k lbs up , hill with a bumper hitch faster than a PSD... without that plug... and still have 1 more cyl than your PSD. (If Bill were to start the thread.)
.

I have not lost interest, I have been to busy lately for FTE at all.

I have never blown a plug, I towed on 9 when I lost a COP.
A properly running PSD would out tow me when I was running on 9 cylinders, or at least I would hope so.

[IB Adrian]

Cavitation was an issue with the IDI, not the PSD.