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I never said mechanics can't screw up. I just wonder why they only screw up on changing the plugs on the triton. How many threads are in the 5.0 section about blown plugs? They have been around longer than the triton and had the plugs changed many more times and it's not an issue on them. Go to the big block section and see how many 50 year old engines there have blown plugs.
Captchas, in the V10 forum, a long-time VW mechanic was always ready and willing to explain how many spark plugs were spit by VW's over the years.
Commonality? Aluminum heads, and not enough maintenance.
The problem is not only in Fords. It's in any aluminum-head engine with iron plugs that are not maintained properly.
The shear number of modulars versus other engines in the market makes them show up a LOT more. Maybe there is a statistically higher number of modulars doing it, but it's not as big as many make it seem.
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For the rest of the "long thread" comments, I guess no one read my blurb about what Ford has done over the years.
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The shear number of modulars versus other engines in the market makes them show up a LOT more. Maybe there is a statistically higher number of modulars doing it, but it's not as big as many make it seem.
You really think there have been more modulars made than the old small blocks? I would say there were more 302's and 351's made in 2-3 years than modulars total. By a wide margain too. For over 30 years those were the main engines in pretty much everything ford made. Back in the 60's they sold more mustangs in one year than they have sold in the entire 2000's combined. So I don't buy the whole argument of the massive volume of modulars flooding the market makes it look worse than it really is.
On a side note, my 1969 ltd still has the original plugs in it and its yet to blow one out.
It seems to me that no other quality motor with aluminum heads had these problems. Ford 5.0, Chevy, Toyota, Honda, Nissan. Maybe Ford hired an old Volkswagen engineer to design the heads for the 2v V-10. LOL
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Back in the 60's they sold more mustangs in one year than they have sold in the entire 2000's combined.
False.
1966 was the highest production number year of the mustang with 607,568 units being built.
2000-2003 exceed that amount with 666,794 units being produced.
And BTW-Remy has NEVER produced an OEM alternator or starter for a modular. Visteon is the supplier of all of those.
JL
False.
1966 was the highest production number year of the mustang with 607,568 units being built.
2000-2003 exceed that amount with 666,794 units being produced.
JL
That is pretty impressive for the Mustang though.
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False.
1966 was the highest production number year of the mustang with 607,568 units being built.
2000-2003 alone exceed that amount with 666,794 units being produced.
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I am also factoring in how many came with v8's, not just total production. Either way, they sold a ton more back in the 60's than they do now. They averaged 400k per year back then and 125k per year now. That's a pretty sizeable difference by itself. You also have to take into account that probably 90% of the current mustangs and super duty trucks come with something other than the triton(v6 in the mustangs and psd in the super duty). Simple fact is more vehicles were sold back then and a much higher percentage came with v8's than come with modulars today.
I am also factoring in how many came with v8's, not just total production. Either way, they sold a ton more back in the 60's than they do now. They averaged 400k per year back then and 125k per year now. That's a pretty sizeable difference by itself. You also have to take into account that probably 90% of the current mustangs and super duty trucks come with something other than the triton(v6 in the mustangs and psd in the super duty). Simple fact is more vehicles were sold back then and a much higher percentage came with v8's than come with modulars today.
That is far more than you're assuming....and doesn't even count what's been built at the Windsor,Ontario plant.
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I dont doubt there have been a lot of them made. But I still say the numbers for the old windsors are higher. Count up all the ltd's, trucks, vans, broncos, falcons, fairlanes, torinos, thunderbirds,mustangs, mercurys, lincolns, mavericks, etc that came with a small block v8. They were in production for 20 years longer than the modular has been and a higher percentage of cars came with v8s back then than they do now.
I dont doubt there have been a lot of them made. But I still say the numbers for the old windsors are higher. Count up all the ltd's, trucks, vans, broncos, falcons, fairlanes, torinos, thunderbirds,mustangs, mercurys, lincolns, mavericks, etc that came with a small block v8. They were in production for 20 years longer than the modular has been and a higher percentage of cars came with v8s back then than they do now.
How many of those had aluminum cylinder heads?
EVERY modular built has had aluminum cylinder heads.
JL
You really think there have been more modulars made than the old small blocks?
How many production aluminum-headed 302/351W's?
Maybe I should have been more specific, but I was comparing the modulars to other aluminum-head motors. Not iron-head production slugs
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How many of those had aluminum cylinder heads?
EVERY modular built has had aluminum cylinder heads.
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What I am disputing are the statements that the plug shooting is no more common on the triton than it was on previous engines and that it's only magnified due to the high volume of tritons on the market. I don't care what kind of material the heads are made of. The simple fact is there were more v8's produced back then on a year to year basis, they were produced for over 20 years longer than the triton and none of them were prone to shooting plugs. Whether it's the aluminum heads, the thread design, the plug material, operator error, or whatever, tritons shoot more plugs than any other ford engine made.
What I am disputing are the statements that the plug shooting is no more common on the triton than it was on previous engines and that it's only magnified due to the high volume of tritons on the market. I don't care what kind of material the heads are made of. The simple fact is there were more v8's produced back then on a year to year basis, they were produced for over 20 years longer than the triton and none of them were prone to shooting plugs. Whether it's the aluminum heads, the thread design, the plug material, operator error, or whatever, tritons shoot more plugs than any other ford engine made.
See my previous post...
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