Torque is what is needed to get that load moving from a dead stop. That is probably why the uphill test in the magazine article showed the diesel making it to the top quicker. It had more grunt from a dead stop than the V10 had. If you could hold the rpm's of the gas motor at the peak horsepower during takeoff than it might be able to beat the diesel using the HP formula. However, the V10 does not come stock with a 4000 stall converter in it. Besides it wouldn't last pulling 12,000 lb loads. I do not believe that feathering a clutch at 4000 rpm's while the truck is trying to get up the speed to match the rpm's would be that great of an idea either.
Again, both trucks are good trucks. I think a G2G would be a great idea. There are diesel drags happening in Redding Ca on Sept. 19. How about a meeting there?
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Then talk to my machinist who was redoing one of those motors just about every month. Totally stock, they were good for about 30K miles, and that's if you babied it.
I knew someone personally who had one. His lasted 12K before major engine repairs. And those "repairs" included head gaskets going south.
Compared to the T-bird SC (and it's related XR7), they were garbage.
I also new somebody that had one and it was very dependable. He also sent many a V8 home after he spanked him at a street race. I was one of them and my car turned 12's in the quarter.
I never saw a Super Coupe at the strip, are the quick?
Maybe the V10's could install a small shot of Nitrous on their trucks. Say a 100 shot. Then you could race your modified truck against our modified truck.
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Exactly.
Some of us are working on a turbocharger setup for our V10's. That'll even the playing field a bit and close up that "running away from" issue.
JL
LMK how the V10 turbo set up is going lots of happy 6.8
Looks like they have to delete that second alternator if you want to run a blower.
Or make the blower belt extra long.
Edit: On second thought, just add a second fan pulley and route the belt around it, then to the alternator.
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In short, torque measures how much work can be done
That is incorrect. Torque is not a measure of work, it is a measure of force. You can have 500 ft.lbs. of torque, and zero motion, in which case, zero work is done. When you check your lug nuts, you're applying 140 ft.lbs. of force, but because the nut is not moving, you are doing zero work. You could hang a weight on the end of the torque wrench and walk away, and that force would be applied all day long, but would require zero energy, because zero work is being done. But the force (torque) is still there.
Power is force times motion, and the unit horsepower is a measure of work being done. In my examples with the two trucks, they are producing a certain amount of horsepower in each condition. If their engines are not capable of making those horsepower levels, it ain't gonna happen, no matter how much torque they are capable of generating.
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So according to this, torque isn't relevant at all?
Now, did I say that? NO! Of course not. Don't put words in my mouth.
An engine that produces high torque (in other words, a diesel) will:
Be able to start a load easier.
Be able to transport that load while turning at a lower RPM, thus saving fuel and enhancing operator comfort.
So yes, it could be argued that a diesel is better for towing. *I* would, and have made that argument in this thread. I actually tow with my lower-horsepower diesel, because it is more comfortable and economical that my higher-horsepower/lower- torque gasser, which will tow cirles around it.
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