I think in the short term this program actually causes more fuel to be used. If you believe the estimates, it takes the equivalent of 45-55 barrels of oil to build a new car. That's nearly two years of fuel consumption for the average vehicle.
So, low dollar value, economic slump, and we're going to jack up the consumption of oil, drive the price up, and set ourselves up for a real fall.
Bingo. You're exactly right. This is one stupid idea if you're looking at environmental impact.
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I can get $4,500 bucks fo my 84 Ranger 4x4!!!!!!.......I wants my Obama bucks NOW!!
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So I'm checking this out. 1984 or newer, so, since in the '80s, everyone said the new trucks are junk, no classics will be affected.*
My fine jewel EPA'd below the 18 mpg magic number.
I might could be in line for $4500.
Now, since I'm really turned off by the prospect of buying a new vehicle, I must now begin the serious research required before buying. I'll ask the wife what she wants.
Heck, I might have two.....gotta go check the MPG on the Exploder....
*ymmv. They also said that in the '60s, '70s, '90s & now.
this idea is just heading for a dark road, just look at Europe and other places over seas, these cash for clunkers programs turn into mandatory bans on cars for just there age alone, no matter the MPG, when will it end? any one else think this "GREEN" movement is just a modern version of Communism? or as i call them Envirocommies, this cash for clunkers bill is being suggested in Canada as well, and i don't want to fund such a waste of tax money, big government seems too know whats best for us all, i hope all the Fools in the U.S. are happy with the new "CHANGE" i say keep the change, and lets go back to the mid to late 80s, with low taxes and true freedom! not what we have now which is big government! and extremely high taxes and wasteful spending!
read this, there is countless other stories if you Google old car ban,
this idea is just heading for a dark road, just look at Europe and other places over seas, these cash for clunkers programs turn into mandatory bans on cars for just there age alone, no matter the MPG, when will it end? any one else think this "GREEN" movement is just a modern version of Communism? or as i call them Envirocommies, this cash for clunkers bill is being suggested in Canada as well, and i don't want to fund such a waste of tax money, big government seems too know whats best for us all, i hope all the Fools in the U.S. are happy with the new "CHANGE" i say keep the change, and lets go back to the mid to late 80s, with low taxes and true freedom! not what we have now which is big government! and extremely high taxes and wasteful spending!
read this, there is countless other stories if you Google old car ban,
The gov't expects that there will only be about 250,000 vouchers issued through out the US. That's not all that many when you consider that millions of cars and trucks are sold each year. I don't think it's as much green as it is a lame attempt to jump start the car business. But, it does try to serve both purposes.
No one here can expect the everyday American to turn thier backs on a nice offer and anything else that the feds are offering when you consider how much our elected officals gain personally from thier political positions.
Tim
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(i don't want to get political, as this site is not for that, i am just hitting home what i want to get across)
i agree, people will take advantage of anything the Fed gives them,
the problem i have is the money being wasted for a hopeless cause just so some politicians can gain some ground in support over a number of issues including the economy and the environment, they want to gain hero status basically saying "look at what i am doing", "i am boosting the economy with a tiny increase in auto sales", which is deeply flawed, the voucher should only apply to New Fords,,,,, just kidding (Not really in my mind! lol lol) but too all the big 3, er..... i mean the smart 1 and the other 2.... lol lol
then they think they can gain support by saying it also helps the environment? really? how so? read the following link,
this whole banning old autos is a real worry, and i can easily see this happening if we keep up this cash for clunkers type of wasteful spending programs, i ain't crazy other countries have followed suite with banning old autos, and it won't only effect classic truck/car owners like myself, but it will effect the average joe, after 6 years your car is worthless, because too new buyers your car can only be run for 4 more years? how will this effect used auto sales? and how will it effect people shopping for there first cars, or people who economically can't afford the latest ride? i see dark times ahead, we need to stomp this out before its too late, and end up with Europe style laws banning 10 year old cars/trucks
-Brent
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Well, I intend to drive down that dark road in a new small PU if I can find one I like at the time this thing is a go. Been looking. Looks like it will be tough to buy a Ranger, as they just don't stock any manual trans jobs.... Looking, looking.....looking.... $4500 is a helluva lot better than $400 to $500, which is what the old 'liner is going to bring on the street. Otherwise, this is a bad idea and a bad program.
My bro in law in Maine has an '88 F-250 that he converted to a dually many years ago. The truck has been a nightmare from jumpstreet, he bought it used. He paid $4511.00 for the truck. After significant mods, 2 engines and clutches and extensive body work, he has an opportunity to recoup his initial investment. I consider that a good deal for him as the truck might actually fetch $1000 to the right buyer. His plow gear is worth that alone.
Tim
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Sounds like your BIL's truck would be a perfect candidate Tim.
The one thing people seem to forget about stuff like this is that it's all voluntary. You're not being forced to do this if you don't want to, and in fact there are only a limited number of people that will be able to claim the money.
Good deal for some folks, not so much for others. Do your research, make your decision.
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i understand its all voluntary, and that is fine, and from what i hear 1985 is the cut off year, nothing older, which is great
the only problem i have and many others have, is it may end up turning into something much worse, we may have car bans once a vehicle hits 10 years old, no matter the MPG, the big government doesn't seem to have a end in site, so its fair to say that at this point anything is possible, and the fact its being done around the world, gives good reason to our fears,
-Brent
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Respectfully, Brent, what goes on in the rest of the world rarely ever applies to the reallity here in the USA, as it applies to mandates or restrictions of free movment and activity (including the ability to own an older vehicle) Believe what you will, the rights of the people (the voting majority) are not only the wishes of how it was THEN, but NOW. As soon as you become a citizen of the US, and vote for the government that you want, I will listen to your point of view, but until then, STFU. It's none of your business, unless you work in the plant that builds Camaro, then double STFU. Twice.
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well just to let you know that was very uncalled for, petes79f150, i wasn't using any kind of terms like you just did,
and in all truths this site is not limited to the U.S. and in all truths we are having a similar cash for clunker law, as what gets passed in the U.S. is seen as we should follow suite, and i don't want laws limiting the people, and with your "CHANGED" government in the U.S. i can see just about anything happening, so please don't cry when the "CHANGE" takes your truck away, all i am saying is if laws like this have been passed around the world then look out there is a good chance that they will be coming to North America,
look at socialized health care, for better or worse most of the world has it, and now the U.S. is planning on moving towards it, yet you say the U.S. tends too not follow the rest of the world? really? maybe back in 2005, but now in 2009 with the way your country is being run, anything is possible, including carbon tax, or "GREEN" laws that will either limit or ban older cars and trucks, we even had a proposed carbon tax here in Canada, and its still trying to be pushed by certain parties in Canada, which will severely tax owners of classic vehicles, and those who choose to use them as daily drivers among other things, thus either a mandatory ban will happen, or they will ban them under the carpet, by pushing ownership out of the average "Joe's" hands, threw high tax, and restrictions that only the elites will be able to afford,
so stop with your hateful and disrespectful banter petes79150, keep the short form swearing too yourself as it does not belong on here, it only shows your level of low intelligence,
and please don't act all high in mighty on here, because there is users not only from the U.S. but Canada and Europe and even as far as Australia, so keep in mind you are on a international site, also where does this thread only pertain to the U.S.? i see no direct wording in the title, U.S. ONLY!, so go grow up and learn some manners, and do some research as the same debate over cash for clunkers is happening north of your border, also you say you can protect your older and classic vehicles? really? i am sure you can, but can you keep them as modes of transport instead of docked garage museum relics, but the "BIG" government in the U.S. seems to have all the say, so i don't see you doing much to convince them otherwise, good luck, and i hope the naive Americans wake up, the public power they think they have is slipping from there hands at a fast rate, BIG GOVERNMENT OWNS YOU!
-Brent
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Respectfully, Brent, what goes on in the rest of the world rarely ever applies to the reallity here in the USA, as it applies to mandates or restrictions of free movment and activity (including the ability to own an older vehicle) Believe what you will, the rights of the people (the voting majority) are not only the wishes of how it was THEN, but NOW. As soon as you become a citizen of the US, and vote for the government that you want, I will listen to your point of view, but until then, STFU. It's none of your business, unless you work in the plant that builds Camaro, then double STFU. Twice.
Pete
Damn dude, lighten up francis. He was just stating his opinion. He has just as much a right to voice his as you do. You make it sound like he is on the other side of the world. He's not, he's from canada(not very far away from America).
The points that brent raised is really shocking and I can say that it is very likely to happen. I can foresee ban on old cars "for the sake of the planet".
(thats all Im gonna say, to avoid politicizing the thread.)
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lol lol 
