Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Older, Classic & Antique Trucks > 1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 1987 - 1996 Ford F-150, F-250, F-350 and larger pickups - including the 1997 heavy-duty F250/F350+ trucks

Welcome to Ford-Trucks Forums!
Welcome to Ford-Trucks.com.

You are currently viewing our forums as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Ford-Trucks Forums community today!





 
Reply
 
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 05-15-2009, 01:42 AM
nextalcupfan's Avatar
nextalcupfan nextalcupfan is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 131
nextalcupfan is starting off with a positive reputation.
Auto to manual transmission swap

im lookin at a 1996 f-150 with a 5.8L 351W 4x4 supercab with an auto transmission.
i was wondering what kind of effort it would take to swap it out to a manual.
would i need to swap the computer?
what about cruise (sp?) control?
whats a good 5-speed manual tranny?
i also dont know the rear axle ratios yet.

i know it would be alot of work but this truck is really nice except for the auto tranny.

ty
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-15-2009, 02:31 AM
froddinjarebear's Avatar
froddinjarebear froddinjarebear is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 43
froddinjarebear is starting off with a positive reputation.
its not extremely hard to do. you will need a new computer, transmission harness, clutch flywheel, backing plate? maybe a new starter? i wouldn't use the tranny out of an f-150 what you wanna find is a zf 5spd its found in f-250's and f-350's and your gonna need one that had either a 4.9, 5.0 or 5.8 behind it so the bell housing will work. and you will probably also need new drive shafts although i cant say that for sure.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-15-2009, 08:16 AM
nextalcupfan's Avatar
nextalcupfan nextalcupfan is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 131
nextalcupfan is starting off with a positive reputation.
why would i need a new harness?
what is controlled by the computer in a manual tranny?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-15-2009, 08:21 AM
rostena's Avatar
rostena rostena is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: A snow drift in MN
Posts: 307
rostena is starting off with a positive reputation.
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/84...azda-m5r2.html

That should be all the info you need.
__________________
1999 F-250, 4X4, 5.4
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-15-2009, 08:39 AM
nextalcupfan's Avatar
nextalcupfan nextalcupfan is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 131
nextalcupfan is starting off with a positive reputation.
thx that was a lot of help
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-15-2009, 08:47 AM
jas88's Avatar
jas88 jas88 is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Greater Austin, Texas
Posts: 3,291
jas88 has a very good reputation on FTE.jas88 has a very good reputation on FTE.jas88 has a very good reputation on FTE.jas88 has a very good reputation on FTE.
Here's a pic somebody sent me when I did mine, I found this very helpful:

Click the image to open in full size.

You will want to use a ZF trans behind the 351.
__________________
1974 F350 Wrecker 360/T18
1991 F150 SuperCab 4x4 7.5L/ZF5
1991 Bronco SAE 7.3L IDI/ZF5
2005 Escape 2.3L/CD4E
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-15-2009, 11:58 AM
Alvin in AZ's Avatar
Alvin in AZ Alvin in AZ is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Gadsden Purchase
Posts: 2,760
Alvin in AZ is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.Alvin in AZ is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nextalcupfan View Post
why would i need a new harness?
what is controlled by the computer in a manual tranny?
I don't know. :/

But I do keep seeing where you need to change that stuff out.
And I also keep reading where you don't need to do anything other
than fool the "automatic computer" into thinking the transmission is
in neutral.

Pros and cons from the two different methods would be cool to
know if anyone's every really worked out what those are. :)

Alvin in AZ
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-15-2009, 12:41 PM
jas88's Avatar
jas88 jas88 is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Greater Austin, Texas
Posts: 3,291
jas88 has a very good reputation on FTE.jas88 has a very good reputation on FTE.jas88 has a very good reputation on FTE.jas88 has a very good reputation on FTE.
The harness for a ZF only goes to the switch for the backup lights - you could probably make that yourself if you had to.

You don't have to swap the ECM if you don't want to, but it will give you several (8 as I recall) codes complaining about how the trans is not talking to it.
__________________
1974 F350 Wrecker 360/T18
1991 F150 SuperCab 4x4 7.5L/ZF5
1991 Bronco SAE 7.3L IDI/ZF5
2005 Escape 2.3L/CD4E
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-19-2009, 08:00 AM
nextalcupfan's Avatar
nextalcupfan nextalcupfan is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 131
nextalcupfan is starting off with a positive reputation.
thx for all the help
how much h.p and torque do u think the zf-5 will hold?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-19-2009, 08:19 AM
rostena's Avatar
rostena rostena is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: A snow drift in MN
Posts: 307
rostena is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nextalcupfan View Post
thx for all the help
how much h.p and torque do u think the zf-5 will hold?
Alot. I think you could do some very serious modding before you have to worry about the ZF's limits. Its a stout trans. They put it behind 460's and deisels.
__________________
1999 F-250, 4X4, 5.4
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-19-2009, 01:56 PM
Alvin in AZ's Avatar
Alvin in AZ Alvin in AZ is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Gadsden Purchase
Posts: 2,760
Alvin in AZ is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.Alvin in AZ is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
ZF S5-42 is rated to handle 420 foot pounds for the life of the truck.
ZF S5-47 is rated to handle 470 foot pounds for the life of the truck.

My '90 F250 parts truck with a 5.8 has the ZF S5-42.
My plan is to put a -plain Jane- "408" (351W 4" stroker) in front of it.
Not sure what mods I'll end up with but, the plan is to use a low-end
torque cam and that's it.

"a 300 I6 with two more cylinders" LOL :)
-Not- a friggin "racing engine" danggit! :/

YMMV ;)

Alvin in AZ
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-19-2009, 02:00 PM
Alvin in AZ's Avatar
Alvin in AZ Alvin in AZ is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Gadsden Purchase
Posts: 2,760
Alvin in AZ is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.Alvin in AZ is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jas88 View Post
The harness for a ZF only goes to the switch for the backup
lights - you could probably make that yourself if you had to.
{cool :}

You don't have to swap the ECM if you don't want to, but it
will give you several (8 as I recall) codes complaining about
how the trans is not talking to it.
Hmmm...
That doesn't sound good if those have the effect of teaching
the computer to make changes to the operation of the engine. :/

Thanks for your reply, Jas. :)

Alvin in AZ
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-29-2009, 09:46 AM
nextalcupfan's Avatar
nextalcupfan nextalcupfan is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 131
nextalcupfan is starting off with a positive reputation.
will a ZF trans bolt up to a 300 six or a 302?
In both 2WD and 4WD applications
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-29-2009, 11:00 AM
Alvin in AZ's Avatar
Alvin in AZ Alvin in AZ is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Gadsden Purchase
Posts: 2,760
Alvin in AZ is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.Alvin in AZ is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nextalcupfan View Post
will a ZF trans bolt up to a 300 six or a 302?
In both 2WD and 4WD applications
Yes, if the ZF has the "right" built-on bell housing for them and
the 351w, which are all (for the most part) the same pattern.

Alvin in AZ
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-29-2009, 08:32 PM
Blue Rebel's Avatar
Blue Rebel Blue Rebel is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cottage Grove, WI
Posts: 2,174
Blue Rebel has a good reputation on FTE.Blue Rebel has a good reputation on FTE.
^^^^ Not just "for the most part." They ARE the same pattern. Any trans put behind an I-6 or 302 will bolt up to a 351W, and vice versa.
__________________
1989 F250 4x4, 351W, ZF S542, 4:10s, Upgraded to Dana 60 SFA, 4" suspension lift, 33"s for street fun!
1993 F350 4x4, 7.3L N/A, ZF S547, 4:10s, 285/75/16 recaps
Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2009, 08:32 PM
 
 
 
Reply

Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Older, Classic & Antique Trucks > 1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks

Tags
300, 351, auto, automatic, c6, f150, f250, ford, manual, mud, s547, swap, tranny, transmission, truck, zf

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
tranny swap batmanbrky 1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 14 02-25-2014 11:50 AM
swapping transmission from manual to auto ellislee New Member Introductions 1 04-21-2013 10:35 PM
Automatic or Manual Transmission Fluid? nextalcupfan 1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 10 04-11-2013 08:55 AM
Manual to automatic transmission swap! jjb16033 Super Duty & Heavy Duty 12 10-16-2009 01:54 PM
Swapping Auto for Manual Trans. oldblue18 1980 - 1986 Bullnose F100, F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 3 01-04-2001 12:42 AM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:02 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 AC1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Statement - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.

vbulletin Admin Backup