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Old 05-14-2009, 10:52 PM
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A jake brake is a brand name device internal to the engine made by Jacobs, generically known as compression release braking. By releasing the compressed air in the cylinder very near the top of the compression stroke, the air does not re expand to return energy to the piston as it moves back down. The vehicle motion pulls the piston down and sucks air into the cylinder and provides the energy to compress the air in the cylinder, thus slowing the vehicle without using the service brakes.
aldridgec.....Always wondered what that was. I knew it was on big tractors, but never knew for sure. Why are there signs in some places on the highway that say no jake brake?? Is it loud?? or something else??
 
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Originally Posted by Pinky Demon
When was the tow/haul mode first implemented on the Super Duties?
I'm pretty sure this is right:

Originally Posted by aldridgec
2003.25 6.0 Torqshift trans, 2005 for the rest of the engines
My 6.0 SD was an early '04 (actually 11/03 build date) and it had tow/haul mode.

Like somebody else said earlier, I too only used it when I was towing something approaching 10k or heavier. For lighter loads in the 4-6k range I found it to be more annoying than helpful. To each his own.
 
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Originally Posted by sbark
aldridgec.....Always wondered what that was. I knew it was on big tractors, but never knew for sure. Why are there signs in some places on the highway that say no jake brake?? Is it loud?? or something else??

You are exactly right.

Some trucks are very loud.

You've heard it plenty of times,next time you see a truck slowing down,or descending a steep grade,pay attention,you'll get the noise.
 
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:32 AM
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me too ! id never take it out if it wasnt for the braking
X3... I like the higher rpm's around town and run in Tow/Haul mode almost 100% of the time. I have the 5.4L engine with 4.10 gears.
 
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Originally Posted by KSCRUDE
I am thinking 05 as before that it was just over drive lockout. The best thing about the tow haul is the braking and downshifting. It is similar to a engine slash jake brake or a exhaust brake on heavy trucks. These devices are also very popular with the SD diesel crowd. In 05 with the new t shift also came the tow haul mode. I wish one of these trany gurus would tell me how to shift the trany from fifth to fourth as if u move the lever it goes all the way to third. Five speed gear box but only four gear selection positions. Ford is way behind GM in this respect. The 5 speed torqueshift is a out dated dinosaur imho.
I agree that this is a deficiency in the Torqshift transmission. I would love to have access to ALL five gears using the column shifter. There are many time that I would like to keep the transmission in 4th gear but am not able to because of the electronic controls.
 
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I agree that this is a deficiency in the Torqshift transmission. I would love to have access to ALL five gears using the column shifter. There are many time that I would like to keep the transmission in 4th gear but am not able to because of the electronic controls.
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Because of its electronic controls we have developed tunes to either stay in 4th and or stay in 4th and shift into 5th at a certain mph. Ex. Mmaxed in V10 section is running a tune for towing that stays in 4th and shifts into 5th at a certain mph..
 
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Hi Furian
Because of its electronic controls we have developed tunes to either stay in 4th and or stay in 4th and shift into 5th at a certain mph. Ex. Mmaxed in V10 section is running a tune for towing that stays in 4th and shifts into 5th at a certain mph..
Hey Mike,

I've been meaning to contact you on the Livewire that I purchased back in November. Is there any documentation of the meaning & significance of the various settings of the Livewire? Also, will my Livewire provide the feature mentioned above? I've uploaded the 93-octane "performance" tune but did not change any of the settings. Finally, I get an "error" message when I try to review any stored codes. I'll send an email so you can respond that way if you prefer.

Thanks!
 
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Originally Posted by Pinky Demon
When was the tow/haul mode first implemented on the Super Duties?
Short answer to this is, the Torqshift ALWAYS had tow/haul mode. Still does. Hopefully always will.
 
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I use it anytime I tow and when I want to pretend that giant lead box is a sports car. lol

You mean "haul" isn't for "haul @ss"?
 
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I use it when I haul stuff around but really don't like the way it brakes... usually flick it off when I'm gonna stop.
 
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Originally Posted by KSCRUDE
I am thinking 05 as before that it was just over drive lockout. The best thing about the tow haul is the braking and downshifting. It is similar to a engine slash jake brake or a exhaust brake on heavy trucks. These devices are also very popular with the SD diesel crowd. In 05 with the new t shift also came the tow haul mode. I wish one of these trany gurus would tell me how to shift the trany from fifth to fourth as if u move the lever it goes all the way to third. Five speed gear box but only four gear selection positions. Ford is way behind GM in this respect. The 5 speed torqueshift is a out dated dinosaur imho.
If you want to get technical, it is a 6 speed transmission.

The“TorqShift” (5R110W) is a 5 speed,rear wheel drive unit that actually has six forward speeds available,depending on hot or cold mode operation. The gear ratio for 1st gear was lowered from 2.71 to 3.09 (compared to a 4R100). For 2nd gear the overdrive clutch is applied to provide a ratio of 2.20. 3rd gear provides a ratio of 1.54, which is the same ratio as the previous second gear. All sound familiar? When in cold mode operation, below _15°C(5°F), determined by the TFT sensor, the overdrive clutch is engaged in 3rd gear to provide a ratio of 1.09 for 4th gear, and the transmission will shift directly into 6th gear (overdrive), which is a ratio of 0.71. In cold mode the transmission shifts 1st gear, 2nd gear, 3rd gear, 4th gear, 6th gear.When in hot mode the transmission will shift 1st gear, 2nd gear,3rd gear, 5th gear (ratio 1.00), 6th gear. Either way it is still a five speed unit with six forward gear ratios available, depending on cold mode or hot mode of operation.

I always thought that there was no 4th gear manual selection because the transmission actually uses 4th or 5th, depending on whether or not it is in hot or cold mode.
 
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by wizardsr
I would likely destroy the trans faster by chipping it as the trans would generate alot more heat staying in overdrive more.
In my opinion a chip is a good way to destroy a transmission.

Originally Posted by aldridgec
2003.25 6.0 Torqshift trans, 2005 for the rest of the engines
That is correct.

Originally Posted by aldridgec
I've never really understood why Ford limits the range selector to 1 less position than you have gears. On the older trucks the od could be turned off by the switch and the other 3 gears by manual selection.
I can answer this in one word: Cost. It cost more to add the additional position on the shifter and they didn't want to spend the money.

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I always thought that there was no 4th gear manual selection because the transmission actually uses 4th or 5th, depending on whether or not it is in hot or cold mode.
Nope. It was cost, plain and simple.
 
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:19 PM
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Mark seems to know what he is talking about, but I wonder why he is a former transmission engineer? ;>)
Because I didn't want to work there anymore. I wasn't having fun, so when they offered me a buyout, I took the money and ran. I'm in a MUCH better position now.

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By the way, Mark, you know Mike Isaacs? Last I knew he was in transmissions at Ford.
The name sounds familiar, but I can't place him.
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky
I can answer this in one word: Cost. It cost more to add the additional position on the shifter and they didn't want to spend the money.


Nope. It was cost, plain and simple.
Isn't that usually the case when it comes to such things.... glove box lamps, fender liners....
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky
In my opinion a chip is a good way to destroy a transmission.
Thanks Mark. What about towing something heavy without being in tow/haul for the sake of less down shifting at cruising speeds. How much heat does the trans generate in overdrive towing heavy, and should I keep it in tow/haul when towing for the sake of the tranny's life span? Or is the difference minimal?
 


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