6.0L - Difference between model years - Page 2 - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums



6.0L Power Stroke Diesel 2003 - 2007 F250, F350 pickup and F350+ Cab Chassis, 2003 - 2005 Excursion and 2003 - 2009 van

6.0L - Difference between model years

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #16  
Old 12-11-2009, 06:43 PM
bismic's Avatar
bismic bismic is offline
Post Fiend
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 15,132
bismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by delta70 View Post
I noticed that they updated the head gasket in 06. Has the improved the gasket failure for the 06 and 07? Or is it just me wishful thinking.

The head gaskets themselves have always been good. The update in 2006 was for "commonization" w/ the 6.4L. It was only to adjust for the dowel size, etc changes. the issues w/ leaking head gaskets is due to the bolts. When cylinder pressures get too high, the bolts stretch a little and never return to the original strength. Over time, leakage gets bad enough to cause puking, etc.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12-23-2009, 11:16 AM
bradyracing bradyracing is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Webb, MS
Posts: 254
bradyracing is starting off with a positive reputation.
Ford says there is a difference in pumps for the 2003-2004 and the 2004.25. This has been a problem for me because I have one of the 2004.25 and all the pumps I see for sale are for the 2003-2004 or the 2005 and up pumps. The 03-04 pumps start with a 3 and the 2004.25 pump starts with a 4 with all other digits in the part number being the same. The aftermarket guys sell one pump, they don't have a separate pump for the 2004.25. Ford says because the 2004.25 oil rails increased from 15 CI to 30 CI the pump was changed. My question is what was the difference between the 04 and 04.25 pumps? The 04.25 pump has seven pistons in it, does the 03-04 pump only have six or something like that?
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-23-2009, 11:35 AM
rocky1074's Avatar
rocky1074 rocky1074 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Inverness, Fl
Posts: 905
rocky1074 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.rocky1074 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Another GREAT write-up Mark...Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 12-23-2009, 10:12 PM
bradyracing bradyracing is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Webb, MS
Posts: 254
bradyracing is starting off with a positive reputation.
Really..... nothing. So the ford techs on this site have no idea what the difference is between the 04 and 04.25 HPOP pumps even though ford says there is a difference. They also seem to not know what part of the 6.0 fuel injector goes bad, the fuel end or the oil and electrical end.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 12-23-2009, 10:17 PM
bismic's Avatar
bismic bismic is offline
Post Fiend
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 15,132
bismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputation
The late build 04s don't have the same HPOP that the 05 and up trucks do. These have the same top discharge HPOP that the 03s have but they share the "wave" high pressure oil rails with the later engines. These seemingly "hodge podge" changes can be confusing if you aren't familiar with the different "flavours" of the 6.0.

Also -
Sometime in 2004 the high-pressure oil rail was redesigned (wavy design) to increase oil capacity and to reduce noise. The new design wavy high-pressure rail has increased the volume from 15 cubic inches to 30 cubic inches. This reduces pressure fall-off during injection and improved emissions and fuel economy.
• The stand pipes’ serviceability has been improved.

Personally, I do not know the exact dates of the changes - sorry.

Also as an FYI -

From the beginning of production, the high pressure pump cover retains a sleeve which provides a sealing surface for the o-ring on the high-pressure oil discharge tube.Mid-way through 2003 MY, the sleeve in the high-pressure pump cover was removed. • The sealing surface for the high-pressure oil discharge tube is now totally machined for the o-ring seal.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 12-23-2009, 10:27 PM
bradyracing bradyracing is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Webb, MS
Posts: 254
bradyracing is starting off with a positive reputation.
I know this. I have the goofy hybrid of the wavy oil rails and the old swash plate pump. So what is the difference between the 2004 and 2004.25 pumps? Ford says there is a difference, so what is the difference?
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 01-31-2010, 08:44 PM
bismic's Avatar
bismic bismic is offline
Post Fiend
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 15,132
bismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputation
Just to add a little more detail:

The 06's and up had some turbo slight improvements as well as the "commonization". Larger oil drain tube and supply line and "A Revised Machined Recess Turbocharger (5c3z-6k682-ca) Designed Exclusively To Address Corrosion Related Turbocharger Performance Is Now Available In Service."

Also, sometime in 2005, the MAF was deleted, then added back in in 2006.

http://turbodieselforums.com/diesel_9.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 01-31-2010, 08:45 PM
bismic's Avatar
bismic bismic is offline
Post Fiend
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 15,132
bismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputationbismic has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by bradyracing View Post
I know this. I have the goofy hybrid of the wavy oil rails and the old swash plate pump. So what is the difference between the 2004 and 2004.25 pumps? Ford says there is a difference, so what is the difference?
Bump for you.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 01-24-2011, 01:11 PM
utjer utjer is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Taylorsville, UT
Posts: 516
utjer is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
You are breaking the rules of this forum. As an attorney I am sure you know how to read.

edit - deleted the quote of someone breaking forum rules. Their post was removed.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 09-11-2011, 10:08 PM
cactus13's Avatar
cactus13 cactus13 is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 43
cactus13 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Will '06 turbo fit my '04?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bismic View Post
Just to add a little more detail:

The 06's and up had some turbo slight improvements as well as the "commonization". Larger oil drain tube and supply line and "A Revised Machined Recess Turbocharger (5c3z-6k682-ca) Designed Exclusively To Address Corrosion Related Turbocharger Performance Is Now Available In Service."

Also, sometime in 2005, the MAF was deleted, then added back in in 2006.

http://turbodieselforums.com/diesel_9.pdf
Hello, I am going to look at a used 2006 6.0 turbo to be kept as a spare. Is there a number stamped on it that will tell me if it can be installed on my '04?
Other than some change in the mounting bracket I can't find any post saying it wouldn't work as is. I assume I can upgrade the oil feed and drain lines?
Will I find the above number stamped on the housing if it is the newer recessed design?
Thank you for all the valuable info in this forum, really a lifesaver!
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 09-12-2011, 06:09 AM
npccpartsman's Avatar
npccpartsman npccpartsman is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Ft. Smith, Ark.
Posts: 14,750
npccpartsman has a spectacular reputation.npccpartsman has a spectacular reputation.npccpartsman has a spectacular reputation.npccpartsman has a spectacular reputation.npccpartsman has a spectacular reputation.npccpartsman has a spectacular reputation.npccpartsman has a spectacular reputation.npccpartsman has a spectacular reputation.npccpartsman has a spectacular reputation.npccpartsman has a spectacular reputation.npccpartsman has a spectacular reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cactus13 View Post
Hello, I am going to look at a used 2006 6.0 turbo to be kept as a spare. Is there a number stamped on it that will tell me if it can be installed on my '04?
Other than some change in the mounting bracket I can't find any post saying it wouldn't work as is. I assume I can upgrade the oil feed and drain lines?
Will I find the above number stamped on the housing if it is the newer recessed design?
Thank you for all the valuable info in this forum, really a lifesaver!
04,5,6,7 turbos will all directly interchange with each other.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 09-13-2011, 11:05 AM
cactus13's Avatar
cactus13 cactus13 is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 43
cactus13 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Thanks npcc. I picked it up yesterday and it looks pretty good. I will post some photos of it particularly of the air side intake vanes which are complete but seem a little sketchy.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 09-13-2011, 06:01 PM
smokersteve's Avatar
smokersteve smokersteve is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: CA Sacramento
Posts: 1,458
smokersteve has a good reputation on FTE.smokersteve has a good reputation on FTE.smokersteve has a good reputation on FTE.
What about the 08 and 09 engines 6.0L in the e-series?
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 09-14-2011, 01:18 AM
flamebuster flamebuster is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Mattawa Washington.
Posts: 1,312
flamebuster has a good reputation on FTE.flamebuster has a good reputation on FTE.
I just installed a new front cover (where the oil and water pump are installed) on my '04 model year with a '05 year just to make sure the pump was the larger 100mm. I had to also change out the lower radiator hose due to the dfferent angle of the outlet pipe on the cover. The old one was pointed down at a angle and the newer one is staight out, making the old orginal hose too short..
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 09-14-2011, 10:30 AM
olfordsnstone's Avatar
olfordsnstone olfordsnstone is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Other side of the sunrise
Posts: 4,923
olfordsnstone is a splendid one to beholdolfordsnstone is a splendid one to beholdolfordsnstone is a splendid one to beholdolfordsnstone is a splendid one to beholdolfordsnstone is a splendid one to beholdolfordsnstone is a splendid one to beholdolfordsnstone is a splendid one to behold
My rep gun seems to be shooting blanks in your direction for now. Until I take a few shots at others on the site I'll have to keep the powder dry for your efforts here. Let me just thank you with a post of approval for now.
Thanks, good stuff! Tim
Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Up(pipes), Down(pipes) and Out(exhaust) of my refresh ZachinCO 1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel 16 11-23-2016 02:10 PM
Driven Diesel 6.7L Oil Pan Installed! SixPointSeven 6.7L Power Stroke Diesel 12 04-23-2016 07:44 AM
How to: Fuel filter and oil filter change in a 6.0L/6.4L TennesseeMustangPerf 1999 to 2016 Super Duty 28 08-17-2014 07:13 PM
TORQUE SPECS.... timmyboy76 1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel 1 12-31-2012 07:56 PM
Troubleshooting a "No Power" condition bismic 6.0L Power Stroke Diesel 1 08-26-2009 09:47 PM


Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums >

Tags
03, 04, 2003, 2004, 60, 60l, attitude, branch, early, edge, ford, forum, number, part, powerstroke, tube, turbo

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:54 PM.


This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.