F100 -56 3speed manual w OD Ballbearing partnumbers ? anyone?
#16
04-28-2009, 01:24 PM
Cargo Master
Ahh, I'm sorry for starting so much crap in my thread.... 
My question is, how do you actually get a hold of these parts....This thread is really helpful, but so confusing too.
First, the part numbers supposedly change. then the parts are obsolete, then there is a parts catalog...who's, fords? Or do these come from other manufacturers?
Why do you only need a couple bearings to rebuild an entire OD trans? Wouldn't you need a ton of gaskets and other bearings too? Synchros? Anything? Can you still get ALL that stuff, or is that why he is only discussing those few parts(because those are the only ones available)?
Man O man, if I ever get a T-86, I may need/want to rebuild it before I install it(it's already out anyways), but do they need to be, or are they relativly invincible trans?
I'm sorry to confuse the issue, but I need to learn this stuff, and if we're already on the topic............
Thank you very much.
My question is, how do you actually get a hold of these parts....This thread is really helpful, but so confusing too.
First, the part numbers supposedly change. then the parts are obsolete, then there is a parts catalog...who's, fords? Or do these come from other manufacturers?
Why do you only need a couple bearings to rebuild an entire OD trans? Wouldn't you need a ton of gaskets and other bearings too? Synchros? Anything? Can you still get ALL that stuff, or is that why he is only discussing those few parts(because those are the only ones available)?
Man O man, if I ever get a T-86, I may need/want to rebuild it before I install it(it's already out anyways), but do they need to be, or are they relativly invincible trans?
I'm sorry to confuse the issue, but I need to learn this stuff, and if we're already on the topic............
Thank you very much.
#17
04-28-2009, 01:52 PM
Ahh, I'm sorry for starting so much crap in my thread.... 
jimcar-9 started this thread.
My question is, how do you actually get a hold of these parts....This thread is really helpful, but so confusing too.
First, the part numbers supposedly change. then the parts are obsolete, then there is a parts catalog...who's, fords? Or do these come from other manufacturers?
Why do you only need a couple bearings to rebuild an entire OD trans? Wouldn't you need a ton of gaskets and other bearings too? Synchros? Anything? Can you still get ALL that stuff, or is that why he is only discussing those few parts(because those are the only ones available)?
Man O man, if I ever get a T-86, I may need/want to rebuild it before I install it(it's already out anyways), but do they need to be, or are they relativly invincible trans?
I'm sorry to confuse the issue, but I need to learn this stuff, and if we're already on the topic............
Thank you very much.
jimcar-9 started this thread.My question is, how do you actually get a hold of these parts....This thread is really helpful, but so confusing too.
First, the part numbers supposedly change. then the parts are obsolete, then there is a parts catalog...who's, fords? Or do these come from other manufacturers?
Why do you only need a couple bearings to rebuild an entire OD trans? Wouldn't you need a ton of gaskets and other bearings too? Synchros? Anything? Can you still get ALL that stuff, or is that why he is only discussing those few parts(because those are the only ones available)?
Man O man, if I ever get a T-86, I may need/want to rebuild it before I install it(it's already out anyways), but do they need to be, or are they relativly invincible trans?
I'm sorry to confuse the issue, but I need to learn this stuff, and if we're already on the topic............
Thank you very much.
If the old number was replaced by another, there's a far better chance of finding the latest part number, as the older number is no longer extant in most cases.
Example: C3AZ7118A roller bearings for the input shaft replaced 8A7118.
Searching for both part numbers turned up 1,596 of C3AZ7118A.
How many 8A7118's did I find? 58.
Since bearings are usually available from autoparts stores, having the Bearing Industry Part Number (what autoparts stores go by) in addition to the Ford part number...may help someone find the part.
Where are obsolete Ford parts to be found?
Ask....and maybe....ye shall receive.
btw: The OP may already have the other parts he needs, and is only looking for the bearings.
#18
04-28-2009, 02:46 PM
Post Fiend
Ahh, I'm sorry for starting so much crap in my thread....
My question is, how do you actually get a hold of these parts....This thread is really helpful, but so confusing too.
First, the part numbers supposedly change. then the parts are obsolete, then there is a parts catalog...who's, fords? Or do these come from other manufacturers?
Why do you only need a couple bearings to rebuild an entire OD trans? Wouldn't you need a ton of gaskets and other bearings too? Synchros? Anything? Can you still get ALL that stuff, or is that why he is only discussing those few parts(because those are the only ones available)?
Man O man, if I ever get a T-86, I may need/want to rebuild it before I install it(it's already out anyways), but do they need to be, or are they relativly invincible trans?
I'm sorry to confuse the issue, but I need to learn this stuff, and if we're already on the topic............
Thank you very much.
My question is, how do you actually get a hold of these parts....This thread is really helpful, but so confusing too.
First, the part numbers supposedly change. then the parts are obsolete, then there is a parts catalog...who's, fords? Or do these come from other manufacturers?
Why do you only need a couple bearings to rebuild an entire OD trans? Wouldn't you need a ton of gaskets and other bearings too? Synchros? Anything? Can you still get ALL that stuff, or is that why he is only discussing those few parts(because those are the only ones available)?
Man O man, if I ever get a T-86, I may need/want to rebuild it before I install it(it's already out anyways), but do they need to be, or are they relativly invincible trans?
I'm sorry to confuse the issue, but I need to learn this stuff, and if we're already on the topic............
Thank you very much.
No offense intended to either of you.
#19
04-28-2009, 02:59 PM
Just an opinion: Anyone who has the knowledge, experience, and ability to rebuild an overdrive transmission will know where to find the parts.
If you don't, you would probably be better served by taking it to a shop to have it rebuilt professionally!
No offense intended to either of you.
If you don't, you would probably be better served by taking it to a shop to have it rebuilt professionally!
No offense intended to either of you.
Did'ja notice that the OP is in SWEDEN?
Whether he knows all about the trans...or not...where or where would he find the parts in Europe for a 54 year old Ford truck?
It's tough finding parts for a 2008 Ford truck in Europe!
#20
04-28-2009, 03:46 PM
Post Fiend
But we have this thing now called the internet (which is probably exactly why he is here) and it allows you to locate and buy parts from all over the world - probably easier than going to Kragen here, and having them tell you they need to order it. Shipping them there may be a seperate issue.
And here's what's really funny, they may have them over there and not here, and if we want to get them, we need to look in Sweeden - works that way sometimes.
And don't underestimate our contributors from other countries for a second (and I didn't mean to imply). They know their stuff, and some of them know more about our trucks than we do. I've hosted some Chevy Camero Buyers from Sweeden and they were SHARP!
I simply made a general statement having taken it for granted that having the transmission done in a shop was an option (and it just might be in Sweeden considering the amount of EXPORTING and foreign licensing Ford has done in the past) - if not for the OP perhaps for the other contributors who are interested in doing the same thing.
#21
04-28-2009, 03:52 PM
Cargo Master
"Ahh, I'm sorry for starting so much crap in my thread.... jimcar-9 started this thread."
I meant my thread a few days ago about transmissions if you remember(It may have been longer..).
Julie---I'm sorry, but I, in all of my ignorace, must dissagree with you, there's no way in hell I'd ever give up the chance to learn by paying someone else some ridiculous amount of money to do it for me. I understand my work may not be as quick, or high-quality(because I may not know all the trick yet), but that doesn't mean to give up and let soemone else try; that is for people who never intend on learning how to do it in the first place, which is the exact opposite way that I think.....Like I said, I'm not calling myself a guru or anything close, it will take time to learn, but I'm not gonna give in to my ignorance just because others say it's OK. If I did that with many other things I've achieved in my life(that I've seen people around me do), I would be.....nothing!
Thanks a lot for the info. From what I understand, your(all) tring to say (1)If want to do it bad enough, I can find all the parts, and (2)Al;though, there are for-sure, many parts obsolete, they may still be found. somewhere in the ball part?(sometimes I have the feeling someone says something and I interpret it totally differently)
P.S. If the new parts are obsolete, whats the point of buying/finding used parts from someone else to replace your used parts(the "thing" I'm rebuilding may not be broken, but jsut a good idea to overhaul it for future reliability.
I meant my thread a few days ago about transmissions if you remember(It may have been longer..).
Julie---I'm sorry, but I, in all of my ignorace, must dissagree with you, there's no way in hell I'd ever give up the chance to learn by paying someone else some ridiculous amount of money to do it for me. I understand my work may not be as quick, or high-quality(because I may not know all the trick yet), but that doesn't mean to give up and let soemone else try; that is for people who never intend on learning how to do it in the first place, which is the exact opposite way that I think.....Like I said, I'm not calling myself a guru or anything close, it will take time to learn, but I'm not gonna give in to my ignorance just because others say it's OK. If I did that with many other things I've achieved in my life(that I've seen people around me do), I would be.....nothing!
Thanks a lot for the info. From what I understand, your(all) tring to say (1)If want to do it bad enough, I can find all the parts, and (2)Al;though, there are for-sure, many parts obsolete, they may still be found. somewhere in the ball part?(sometimes I have the feeling someone says something and I interpret it totally differently)
P.S. If the new parts are obsolete, whats the point of buying/finding used parts from someone else to replace your used parts(the "thing" I'm rebuilding may not be broken, but jsut a good idea to overhaul it for future reliability.
#23
04-28-2009, 08:03 PM
#24
04-28-2009, 09:14 PM
Post Fiend
"Ahh, I'm sorry for starting so much crap in my thread.... jimcar-9 started this thread." We know, but we're watching you anyway
I meant my thread a few days ago about transmissions if you remember(It may have been longer..).
Julie---I'm sorry, but I, in all of my ignorace, must dissagree with you, there's no way in hell I'd ever give up the chance to learn by paying someone else some ridiculous amount of money to do it for me. I understand my work may not be as quick, or high-quality(because I may not know all the trick yet), but that doesn't mean to give up and let soemone else try; that is for people who never intend on learning how to do it in the first place, which is the exact opposite way that I think.....Like I said, I'm not calling myself a guru or anything close, it will take time to learn, but I'm not gonna give in to my ignorance just because others say it's OK. If I did that with many other things I've achieved in my life(that I've seen people around me do), I would be.....nothing! Tee hee, I think the word Overdrive must have a hex on it or something during April. I agree with you mORO. Knock yourself out and have fun doing it. We are all about doing ones own thing here. But in that light, there is another side of the coin as well. In a lot of cases people want to install these overdrive units because of the highway and mileage characteristics. But, they have close tolerances, and are sometimes difficult to get apart without them just dumpung all over the work bench. That was my primary thought in recommending a professional rebuild. These transmissions are fairly reliable and resiliant if they are properly rebuilt, installed and maintained. And when thinking about those long trips, that reliability was what was on my mind.
Thanks a lot for the info. From what I understand, your(all) tring to say (1)If want to do it bad enough, I can find all the parts, and (2)Al;though, there are for-sure, many parts obsolete, they may still be found. somewhere in the ball part?(sometimes I have the feeling someone says something and I interpret it totally differently) Don't forget about possibly finding a donor in good condition, or a better transmission to use yours as a donor toward - build one good out of two bad.
P.S. If the new parts are obsolete, whats the point of buying/finding used parts from someone else to replace your used parts(the "thing" I'm rebuilding may not be broken, but jsut a good idea to overhaul it for future reliability.
I meant my thread a few days ago about transmissions if you remember(It may have been longer..).
Julie---I'm sorry, but I, in all of my ignorace, must dissagree with you, there's no way in hell I'd ever give up the chance to learn by paying someone else some ridiculous amount of money to do it for me. I understand my work may not be as quick, or high-quality(because I may not know all the trick yet), but that doesn't mean to give up and let soemone else try; that is for people who never intend on learning how to do it in the first place, which is the exact opposite way that I think.....Like I said, I'm not calling myself a guru or anything close, it will take time to learn, but I'm not gonna give in to my ignorance just because others say it's OK. If I did that with many other things I've achieved in my life(that I've seen people around me do), I would be.....nothing! Tee hee, I think the word Overdrive must have a hex on it or something during April. I agree with you mORO. Knock yourself out and have fun doing it. We are all about doing ones own thing here. But in that light, there is another side of the coin as well. In a lot of cases people want to install these overdrive units because of the highway and mileage characteristics. But, they have close tolerances, and are sometimes difficult to get apart without them just dumpung all over the work bench. That was my primary thought in recommending a professional rebuild. These transmissions are fairly reliable and resiliant if they are properly rebuilt, installed and maintained. And when thinking about those long trips, that reliability was what was on my mind.
Thanks a lot for the info. From what I understand, your(all) tring to say (1)If want to do it bad enough, I can find all the parts, and (2)Al;though, there are for-sure, many parts obsolete, they may still be found. somewhere in the ball part?(sometimes I have the feeling someone says something and I interpret it totally differently) Don't forget about possibly finding a donor in good condition, or a better transmission to use yours as a donor toward - build one good out of two bad.
P.S. If the new parts are obsolete, whats the point of buying/finding used parts from someone else to replace your used parts(the "thing" I'm rebuilding may not be broken, but jsut a good idea to overhaul it for future reliability.
I apologize, Julie. No apology necessary Bill. I enjoy your inputs and I also enjoy the debates! 
It really does educate one! I know you aren't mean, me neither, but we sure scare everyone else. 
I'll bet you have German in you somewhere in your past - Or maybe a little Klingon. I do (German that is)!
When the OP sent me his first P/M, he said he was in Sweden, so I didn't have ta do any digging.
He didn't make that fact clear...however...in this thread. That's ok. I understood my limitations when I responded and limited sources and said so. But I didn't want to let it slip by without getting some type of support - not knowing you were working on it behind the scenes..
It really does educate one! I know you aren't mean, me neither, but we sure scare everyone else. I'll bet you have German in you somewhere in your past - Or maybe a little Klingon. I do (German that is)!When the OP sent me his first P/M, he said he was in Sweden, so I didn't have ta do any digging.
He didn't make that fact clear...however...in this thread. That's ok. I understood my limitations when I responded and limited sources and said so. But I didn't want to let it slip by without getting some type of support - not knowing you were working on it behind the scenes..
- you'll HAVE TO CHECK IT!!!!!!)
#25
04-28-2009, 11:24 PM
Julie: No German in my family background that I am aware of. Irish-Scots-English.
Some peeps have accused me of being too direct in my posts...but after waiting on idiots at parts counters for 35 years, I have little tolerance left.
btw: Speaking of Germans, you do know the difference between heaven and hell doncha?
In heaven: The British are the police, the French are the chefs, the Germans are the mechanics, the Italians are the lovers, and the whole shebang is run by the Swiss.
In hell: The British are the chefs, the French are the mechanics, the Germans are the police, the Swiss are the lovers, and the whole shebang is run by the Italians.
Some peeps have accused me of being too direct in my posts...but after waiting on idiots at parts counters for 35 years, I have little tolerance left.
btw: Speaking of Germans, you do know the difference between heaven and hell doncha?
In heaven: The British are the police, the French are the chefs, the Germans are the mechanics, the Italians are the lovers, and the whole shebang is run by the Swiss.
In hell: The British are the chefs, the French are the mechanics, the Germans are the police, the Swiss are the lovers, and the whole shebang is run by the Italians.
#26
04-29-2009, 11:21 AM
Postmaster
#27
04-29-2009, 11:47 AM
Cargo Master
I was worried about needing to rebuild it.......But what I really wanted to know was--are these transmissions the "type" of trans that really don't need to be pampered per-se. It's ok, as long as they are maintained(at least from where you come into the picture), to just pop them in your truck without worrying about blowing them two weeks later. Resiliant.
Beacsue as you may know, I'm very interested in installing one, but i'm affraid that it's the kind of trans that should be rebuilt whenever possible.----Are you all fairly confident that I could install one of these, and it run reliably, and good for at least some years, or are you more pesemistic about the T-86(they're weak and often times need a serious overhaul). That link julie provided was nice to see, but seems like he gave no referrence to where he got what parts. there was a certain part that was in terrible shape, are those replacable(if it's bad on one 50+ year-old trans, it may be bad on most)?
Thank you all.
#28
04-29-2009, 12:01 PM
A friend of mine has a 1954 F100 223 with O/D that he has driven every day (in LA traffic, no less), for OVER 26 years.
He has driven it to AZ and back every year with no problems with the transmission.
I've owned several cars with this transmission...I never had to spend a cent on any of them.
He has driven it to AZ and back every year with no problems with the transmission.
I've owned several cars with this transmission...I never had to spend a cent on any of them.
#29
04-29-2009, 12:17 PM
Post Fiend
I agree with Bill,
In my first truck, my 55, I had one - the transmission in the picture. At the time I was driving regularly between Oregon St Univ in Central Oregon to San Diego where my family lived (that included the drive over the Siskayou and Cascade Mts). My dad put the thing in for me. He did that for two reasons - to improve my mileage, and to have the truck be REALLY reliable for me on that drive.
I would say if you have one and it's not broke, it probably won't break, and don't fix it. I took one apart once as a disection - just for giggles - and right off the bat with the overdrive case about 1/2 inch open, ALL the roller bearings fell out of the thing!
With it comfortably worn into itself, you may actually put more tension and stress into it (and do more damage) by inserting new parts!
Shoot, just slap it in, if it breaks it only takes abot ten minutes to drop it out - THEN you can rebuild it.
Hey how 'bout that----post #2000 (in 10 1/2 months) I'm addicted to FTE!
In my first truck, my 55, I had one - the transmission in the picture. At the time I was driving regularly between Oregon St Univ in Central Oregon to San Diego where my family lived (that included the drive over the Siskayou and Cascade Mts). My dad put the thing in for me. He did that for two reasons - to improve my mileage, and to have the truck be REALLY reliable for me on that drive.
I would say if you have one and it's not broke, it probably won't break, and don't fix it. I took one apart once as a disection - just for giggles - and right off the bat with the overdrive case about 1/2 inch open, ALL the roller bearings fell out of the thing!
With it comfortably worn into itself, you may actually put more tension and stress into it (and do more damage) by inserting new parts!
Shoot, just slap it in, if it breaks it only takes abot ten minutes to drop it out - THEN you can rebuild it.
Hey how 'bout that----post #2000 (in 10 1/2 months) I'm addicted to FTE!
#30
04-29-2009, 12:44 PM
The rubber band will snap apart the first time the O/D is engaged.
A pal of mine with a 1950 Packard (same O/D unit, different trans), tied the roller bearings into that cage with twine.
Yup...you guessed it...he had to take the trans out, dis-assemble the whole tamale....to remove that fracatta twine!