Ford does not make parts anymore. It is not the Ford motor company of Henry. Motorcraft is a brand name owned by FMC. Visteon is the independent parts company spun off from Ford many years ago, a form of "outsourcing". Filters, however, were never made in-house, but by various vendors over the years, WIX, Fram and now the parent company of Purolator, a Bosch-Mann joint venture. I doubt very much that Ford engineers actually "design" any filters, no matter what the box says, but they do negotiate the specifications with the vendor's engineers. Since Purolator invented the automotive oil filter and Mann is the most respected filter maker in Europe, I do trust them.

AC filters actually were made by GM, until that just became a brand name, like Motorcraft. Champion Labs makes most of them now, but some are imports.

There are plenty of the old ones on the shelf at my nearest PepBoys. You guys might check there, if you have one in your area.

Jim

 

...it becomes confusing to know what is really "made by Ford" and what is made by a supplier. Heck, even big parts like Explorer FRAMES come from outside suppliers. If a part has the Motorcraft name on it, or on the box, that counts as OEM for warranty and quality purposes.

George

 

With regards to microns, all of the name brand filters filter to 10 microns. No one can filter below that in automotive applications (as a primary filter) without causing oil starvation.

 

I checked the other day. The Purolator Pure One eqivenlent of the Fl-820S (mustard colored filter) are the same length as the new shorter 820s.

 

Interesting.

I didn't find any new Purolator filters (24651 or the Pure One). But there was two old Motorcraft FL820s which I grabbed.

They raised Mobil 1 filters to 13.49.

 

Well guys, I dissected an FL1A and posted some pics in this forum, so now I'd like to see one of you guys cut open an FL820S for comparisons. This stuff is addictive to me.

 

Has the end cap remained the same? The original filter I removed had a splined end cap and the replacement FL820S has about 1" lands on it. Will my end cap wrench with lands on it work with the "short" filter?

 

I used quite a few of the older metallic blue Pure Ones (a couple years ago) on my V10 and they were pretty much identical to the old style Fl-820s. Thats what made me look at the new Pure Ones which are now covered with grit, smaller and painted a turd yellow color.

I have to check out Wix filters sometime but I got 7 old style 820s left.

I'm changing oil this weekend and I have an old 820 on now. I'll cut it open and take pics if I remeber.

I don't remember. I looked at the new shorties in the store but didn't pay enough attention. I know the Purolators use less "points" on the end for the wrench socket. I have both filter socket designs anyway because I used Purolator or Motorcraft filters.

 

does anybody have a pic of this new filter?

 

Post 5 https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/844914-fl-820-s.html

 

Slightly OT, but does anyone have the specs for the FL400S? They are only $4 at AZ and look like a better replacement for the Toyota than the tiny Purlolator-made one the dealer sells, if the threads and bypass settings are the same.

Jim

 

Yeah, bigger is always better in the world of filters. More oil your engine can hold. Although, this is a useless post because I don't know the dimensions. Someone posted a link in here, OR in the other thread I made about me cutting open my FL1A, and it seemed to have all the Motorcraft filters sizes and dimensions.

EDIT: Nevermind, it didn't have that filter in the list. Sorry.

 

I cut apart my non shortened Fl-820S and compared it to an Fl-1A I cut apart a couple days ago. Pics are below.

1A on left 820 on right.


1A top 820 bottom


820


1A


820 spacer under filter media. Over 1/2" space from center of dome to bottom of spacer in center.

 

Thanks for posting the pics in both threads.

 

The question I have is: why did Ford change to a metric thread for so many applications? Even Toyota uses a 3/4-16 for its spin-on filters, as does Ford on the smaller diameter ones.

Because of the larger diameter, even the shorter FL-820S still has plenty of surface area. Remember that engines should not be ingesting a lot of dirt with completely closed crankcase ventilation systems, unlike the 1950's when oil filters were first made standard for most cars.

Jim