The front of camaro looks ok, but the side view makes is just too bubbly and bunched up.
I love the new mustangs, I'm still undecided about the 2010 mustang as far as liking it more than the current, but I absolutely hated the generation before the 05's
The Challenger is a great looking car as well, and I love how people tout that there are 11K orders for the Camero, but look back at the Challenger, for a while they were backordered out for a good 6 months, now they have a huge surplus of them
As far as the solid axle thing, I am dang proud that the Stang still has a solid rear axle, they are a far superior design due to its simplicity and strength. Case in point, NASCAR still uses solid axles.
I guarantee you the guys that drag race are thanking Ford for sticking with the solid rear axle...and an 8.8, at that!
In all fairness to the IRS Cobras, the aftermarket has stepped up and you can make them bullitproof. Although a solid 8.8 wouldn't require as much. I'm willing to bet that 60 foot times would be less with a built IRS than solid rear axle if installed on the very same Cobra......
Once again, more work would have to go into the IRS.....
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I assume you race mustangs ???? I dont see any 8sec stangs at the strip with IRS...So you must know something...About IRS & drag racing.. Whould like to here about it...What kind of stang do you have ???
I assume you race mustangs ???? I dont see any 8sec stangs at the strip with IRS...So you must know something...About IRS & drag racing.. Whould like to here about it...What kind of stang do you have ???
I used to own a 91 LX 5.0l and 82 Capri RS 5.0L and used to drag race my 91 regularly. No, you don't see any 8 second IRS drag stangs BUT, ( and I should have explained myself better to avoid all the ?????? in your post ) IRS Cobras with slicks were regularly ripping off better 0-60 times than solid axle cars with almost the same power. ( if IRS stayed together ).
Just a conclusion I came to from actually being able to witness this first hand.
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I was referencing 12-14 second cars....
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We are talking drag racing here..Let me know when the IRS ... Takes over...All the fast vettes at the track are straight axle... i wonder why 11.7... i want to see a 7.00 Holy crap.....How much does a ZR1 sale for... Compared to a 5.0 stang that runs 9.00...
Holy crap You Guys, Ford designs an inferior pony car YOU CAN'T admit it.
The ZR1 can rip off 11.7 -1/4 mile times with IRS. WRX does a 12.5 with IFS AND IRS.
PLUS it handles better than a solid axle.
All of this talk, Oh Thank God Ford stuck with a solid axle is crap.
Saying Ford designs an inferior product is like saying the Challenger is inferior because it weighs the same as a Cadillac DTS or that the Camaro is inferior because it has an ugly interior with cheap materials neither of which makes them inferior.
The Mustang having a solid rear axle does not make the entire vehicle inferior as you made it sound. You can consider the solid rear axle inferior relative to an IRS, but that is obviously arguable as there's plenty of guys drag racing Mustangs that beg to differ.
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Holy crap You Guys, Ford designs an inferior pony car YOU CAN'T admit it.
The ZR1 can rip off 11.7 -1/4 mile times with IRS. WRX does a 12.5 with IFS AND IRS.
PLUS it handles better than a solid axle.
All of this talk, Oh Thank God Ford stuck with a solid axle is crap.
Better buy that Craparo fast! GM just annouced they are laying off 47,000 workers and closing 5 plants and want us to bail them out with a fast 16 billion.
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What forms of racing are there that use an IRS system? NASCAR, NHRA drag racing, IMCA dirt track racing, rock crawling, and mud bogging all use solid rear axles. So I believe that its a stretch to call solid axles inferior, they might be old, but they are tried and true and much more cost efficient.
We are talking drag racing here..Let me know when the IRS ... Takes over...All the fast vettes at the track are straight axle... i wonder why 11.7... i want to see a 7.00 Holy crap.....How much does a ZR1 sale for... Compared to a 5.0 stang that runs 9.00...
The point is, the IRS can make a car handle much better without sacrificing any straight line performance.
And the ZR1 does push 620 HP thru it's INDEPENDENT REAR SUSPENSION.
Saying that the solid axle might be old, but it's tried and true, sounds a little hypocritical. When everyone bashes GM's tried and true push rod engines.
Geeze I know it's a Ford forum, but Ford could have done a lot better. They just cheaped out on a few things.
The Camaro is going to out do the Mustang in a lot of categories, More HP, better handling, better fuel economy, but definitely not in blind followship.
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What forms of racing are there that use an IRS system? NASCAR, NHRA drag racing, IMCA dirt track racing, rock crawling, and mud bogging all use solid rear axles. So I believe that its a stretch to call solid axles inferior, they might be old, but they are tried and true and much more cost efficient.
I dunno... F1, WRC, SCCA, etc. the New Nissan GT-R Uses IRS/IFS. Prolly the hottest, most anticipated street car ever in America. 480HP thru it's fully independent suspension.
Why is it that Ford Hypes the IRS on the Escape, but it's not good enough for their Pony Car?
Sometimes You guys needa loosen the Ford Blinders Your wearing, and admit that every thing Ford is NOT perfection.
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I dunno... F1, WRC, SCCA, etc. the New Nissan GT-R Uses IRS/IFS. Prolly the hottest, most anticipated street car ever in America. 480HP thru it's fully independent suspension.
Why is it that Ford Hypes the IRS on the Escape, but it's not good enough for their Pony Car?
Sometimes You guys needa loosen the Ford Blinders Your wearing, and admit that every thing Ford is NOT perfection.
Its not just about fords... Its the end of an era....Back in the 70s i had a lot of big & small block chevys...340 mopars...big block.. pontiac....They were all great untill the mid 70s everthing went to pollution controll... By the 80s nothing was fast not even the vette...It wasnt till the late 80s the mustang came back with the fox body 5.0...stang...They were the car of choice then... Didnt see to many Z/28s.... The mustangs were just better to build..& just plan fast....If you havent driven a nice 5.0 you are missing something....With out the 302 push rod motor & straight rear axle there not the same...Lew
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