Ok Ok then what does Ford need to do to get their MOJO back?
#136
Wendell, Ive looked through car and truck magazines over the years too, and I kinda know what you mean that the domestics do get bashed a little more. The only difference I see, is that now they are getting better reviews, and not bashed as much, and at the same time, they claim to be raising their quality.
That tells me that maybe they should have been bashed (somewhat) in the past on some things.
I agree with saleenguy, every company makes some lemons. Ive had some lemons from alot of companies, imports, and Ford included. (mainly talking about cares here)
When it comes to trucks I wont change anything from buying ford, havent found a reason to yet. Ford cars, cant say the same!
That tells me that maybe they should have been bashed (somewhat) in the past on some things.
I agree with saleenguy, every company makes some lemons. Ive had some lemons from alot of companies, imports, and Ford included. (mainly talking about cares here)
When it comes to trucks I wont change anything from buying ford, havent found a reason to yet. Ford cars, cant say the same!
#137
I try not to bash foreign vehicles because most of them are of fairly good quality.
I do however, bash the people that fly the American flag in their front yard that have a garage full of Toyotas and the rising-sun tatooed on their bicept, that blame our economic problems on the "failing" Big-3... They wouldn't be "failing" if you were buying American!
I'm not saying that if you own a Toyota you'll be thrown in the lake of fire, but I see so many foreign die-hards that just don't get the big picture. When you buy American, you're stimulating the economy.
I do however, bash the people that fly the American flag in their front yard that have a garage full of Toyotas and the rising-sun tatooed on their bicept, that blame our economic problems on the "failing" Big-3... They wouldn't be "failing" if you were buying American!
I'm not saying that if you own a Toyota you'll be thrown in the lake of fire, but I see so many foreign die-hards that just don't get the big picture. When you buy American, you're stimulating the economy.
#138
I really disagree with your OPINION that the media has brainwashed people into thinking certain things about different vehicles. Do you think the media brainwashed people into buying f150's and making them the most popular pickup truck? Or does your theory only work that way against imports? Im betting it does.
Also if ford had a rust problem with their ranger, the reason why the media would be over it, is because ford would try and blame every other person in the world then take responsibility for it.
Ever read about the 6 liter diesel fiasco? Or wait let me guess, it was navistars fault eh lol.
Im also wondering, if I got a ford fusion that was used and abused given to me, and I had to go put money into it to get it back up to par, would it make that car a POS? Tim, could you answer that one for me?
Also if ford had a rust problem with their ranger, the reason why the media would be over it, is because ford would try and blame every other person in the world then take responsibility for it.
Ever read about the 6 liter diesel fiasco? Or wait let me guess, it was navistars fault eh lol.
Im also wondering, if I got a ford fusion that was used and abused given to me, and I had to go put money into it to get it back up to par, would it make that car a POS? Tim, could you answer that one for me?
First of all, my intregrity is all I have on this site. I have nothing to gain by being dishonest or less than forthcoming with the whole truth. If the car had been used hard, first of all, I would have said so and secondly, I would have no grounds to call it a POS. The car was a one owner driven daily on the freeway between Hampton, Va and Richmond, Va which is about 70 miles each way. All service including oil changes was performed by a Honda dealer and lifetime brakes and exhaust from Midas. The owner was not mechanically inclined. He is a computer engineer or what ever they call themselves. The car had several issues during his ownership as well. A CV axle went bad, ignition module and a sensor, (forgot which one). I've had to replace the axle again along with the other one and the ignition module again as well.
To answer your question my good friend, if you recieved anything made by anyone and it was abused and required work, then no, it isn't a POS. Thanks for keeping me in check, you rock!
Tim
#140
The only 2 instances that ford blamed those at fault was firestone and international and rightfully so. Let the chips fall where they may. This is a tipical reason why I get pissed, I'm allways haveing to defend ford to some japanese car lover on a ford site, may I rest my case. It's not going to work today, I'm not going to loose my cool and go off on the japanese junk, I mean cars. Yoda doesn't have to defend thier short commings as it isn't talked about. The best I can tell anyone, is if ford offends you so much or thier vehicles are junk, then don't buy them. At the same time, don't waste the time of ford guy's on this site having to defend ford to the japanese. Preppypryro, you haven't stated why your posting on a ford site, other than to point out fords short commings capared to the japanese. Do you have anything good to say about ford, is there anything that you like? The bashing wouldn't be bad if there's was some positive comments as well. With all your post, you must have had some good things to talk about reguarding ford. You certainly couldn't have 28,000 posts of ford bashing. If your ford put downs are to convince me that ford is a corrupt company and there no good. "well", it's not working. I was raised on ford money, my dad still eats off of ford money. I have had nothing but good luck with ford, love thier vehicles and have a life time of good memories in fords. From my first kiss, to my first trophy, my first roll over ect, ect, blah, blah. I'm going to turn this around. Do you think it's fare that I have to waste my time defending ford on this ford site all of the time? When the reason I come here is to share my love and interst of ford trucks and other ford vehicles. Not that everything concerning ford has to be positive, but who more would have the right to bitch than those who have owned fords thier whole life and who will allways buy fords. If I'm not complaining, why are you? I'm sure those at the yoda forums would love to hear and agree with your opinions of ford. I would personally like to take the weekend off, I allready said japanese cars are good and ford isn't allways perfect. Now lets let it go at that, instead of talking about how nasty ford is for blaming everyone else for thier junk and not taking resposability for thier crappy cars and mistakes. We've now established that ford is bad, the japanese are good, fords quality sucks and they will go bankrupt. Just let me wallow in my stupidity for buying ford in pease. "Thank you"!!!!
#141
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First of all, my intregrity is all I have on this site. I have nothing to gain by being dishonest or less than forthcoming with the whole truth. If the car had been used hard, first of all, I would have said so and secondly, I would have no grounds to call it a POS. The car was a one owner driven daily on the freeway between Hampton, Va and Richmond, Va which is about 70 miles each way. All service including oil changes was performed by a Honda dealer and lifetime brakes and exhaust from Midas. The owner was not mechanically inclined. He is a computer engineer or what ever they call themselves. The car had several issues during his ownership as well. A CV axle went bad, ignition module and a sensor, (forgot which one). I've had to replace the axle again along with the other one and the ignition module again as well.
To answer your question my good friend, if you recieved anything made by anyone and it was abused and required work, then no, it isn't a POS. Thanks for keeping me in check, you rock!
Tim
First of all, my intregrity is all I have on this site. I have nothing to gain by being dishonest or less than forthcoming with the whole truth. If the car had been used hard, first of all, I would have said so and secondly, I would have no grounds to call it a POS. The car was a one owner driven daily on the freeway between Hampton, Va and Richmond, Va which is about 70 miles each way. All service including oil changes was performed by a Honda dealer and lifetime brakes and exhaust from Midas. The owner was not mechanically inclined. He is a computer engineer or what ever they call themselves. The car had several issues during his ownership as well. A CV axle went bad, ignition module and a sensor, (forgot which one). I've had to replace the axle again along with the other one and the ignition module again as well.
To answer your question my good friend, if you recieved anything made by anyone and it was abused and required work, then no, it isn't a POS. Thanks for keeping me in check, you rock!
Tim
Second, i really cant say much for that owner if you got the car from the owner and you had to do all that work. It just doesnt sound like the guy took care of it. Some of the things do for sure sound like you had to replace them a little sooner then necessary. Like the steering in your taurus too. All im trying to point out (again Im sure you remember ) is it sure sounds like(from the few posts Ive read about it) you got a car that wasnt taken care of, and there begins the fine line if its really a POS or not!
I agree with your answer to my question though, a car that was used and abused that a person has to do alot of repairs on, isnt a pos. Glad we are on the same page
#142
First of all Im glad you dont take offense in my question
Second, i really cant say much for that owner if you got the car from the owner and you had to do all that work. It just doesnt sound like the guy took care of it. Some of the things do for sure sound like you had to replace them a little sooner then necessary. Like the steering in your taurus too. All im trying to point out (again Im sure you remember ) is it sure sounds like(from the few posts Ive read about it) you got a car that wasnt taken care of, and there begins the fine line if its really a POS or not!
I agree with your answer to my question though, a car that was used and abused that a person has to do alot of repairs on, isnt a pos. Glad we are on the same page
Second, i really cant say much for that owner if you got the car from the owner and you had to do all that work. It just doesnt sound like the guy took care of it. Some of the things do for sure sound like you had to replace them a little sooner then necessary. Like the steering in your taurus too. All im trying to point out (again Im sure you remember ) is it sure sounds like(from the few posts Ive read about it) you got a car that wasnt taken care of, and there begins the fine line if its really a POS or not!
I agree with your answer to my question though, a car that was used and abused that a person has to do alot of repairs on, isnt a pos. Glad we are on the same page
Truth be told, I would buy a NEW honda or a NEW Toyota (0NLY) if I could get the deal that I want and the deal that I typically get from the Ford dealer. I will never buy another used car or truck unless I could find one with less than 5k on the odo and I could still get the deal that I want.
Take care!
Tim
#143
Do you have anything good to say about ford, is there anything that you like? The bashing wouldn't be bad if there's was some positive comments as well. With all your post, you must have had some good things to talk about reguarding ford. You certainly couldn't have 28,000 posts of ford bashing.
If your ford put downs are to convince me that ford is a corrupt company and there no good. "well", it's not working. I was raised on ford money, my dad still eats off of ford money. I have had nothing but good luck with ford, love thier vehicles and have a life time of good memories in fords. From my first kiss, to my first trophy, my first roll over ect, ect, blah, blah. I'm going to turn this around.
Now you say you have bought Fords all your life, I can respect that, and admire that. The problem lies though, is when you make these comments about japanese junk. I see you spout them all the time, but good sir, you dont know a damn thing about that japanese junk! Youve never owned one, ever (right?) so you would be the worst person in the world to listen to when it comes to talking about imports. You can have your opinion, but good sir, what is it based on? Sureley not consumer reports!
If I'm not complaining, why are you? I'm sure those at the yoda forums would love to hear and agree with your opinions of ford. I would personally like to take the weekend off, I allready said japanese cars are good and ford isn't allways perfect. Now lets let it go at that, instead of talking about how nasty ford is for blaming everyone else for thier junk and not taking resposability for thier crappy cars and mistakes. We've now established that ford is bad, the japanese are good, fords quality sucks and they will go bankrupt. Just let me wallow in my stupidity for buying ford in pease. "Thank you"!!!!
When ford screws up Il be one of the first to complain about it, cause of the love I have for MOST of their product. As a customer, I have every right too. If you want to preach that Ford is great and imports are junk, your gonna get replies from guys like me that have owned a little of everything. No one is out to change your opinion, but dont try to tell me my truck is black, when in reality, its white! (little analogy there )
#144
Truth be told, I would buy a NEW honda or a NEW Toyota (0NLY) if I could get the deal that I want and the deal that I typically get from the Ford dealer. I will never buy another used car or truck unless I could find one with less than 5k on the odo and I could still get the deal that I want.
#146
Great summary, your first sentence is exactly what i was getting at. I took the long winded route though haha, reps sent.
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#148
My good sir, I don't have to do research about ford to come on this site and bash them if that was my intended goal. To be blind, there has to be something I'm not seeing or in denial. So I guess you're telling me that I really have had a lot of problems with fords over the years, I just don't see it, what a joke. As far as 6.0 diesel head gaskets, I could care less, I have never owned a diesel or even like them for that matter. I deal with what effects me personally, what I own or have owned. I can't speak for something I've never had. However, the diesel crap will soon be over as ford will be building there own inhouse. mY first vehicle was a 1950 ford p/u with a flat head straight 6 and 3 speed on the floor. I paid 150.00$ for it back in 74, that truck is rock solid and was an insperation. I sold it to my cousin who restored it and still drives it today. That was follwed by some 60's era mustangs and fairlanes, even a 70 cobra torinio. I was into the muscle car scene and drag racing. My only concern with ford, was how to make it faster than the next guy's. My cars were really abused in the early years at the drag strip and even some street action. I would give them all I had, and they would come bacxk for more. During this time is when I really formed my opinions of ford and how tough they were. Even when I got into off roading, my first boulder basher was a 75 ford bronco. I took that truck where most people would be afraid to try and drag a chain. Between ford and jeeps, I kept the trails a hopping all these years and still enjoy wheeling my rangers and jeeps. So my opinions were formed out of hard core use of ford vehicles, I put then through there paces. I've never had any major problems from my fords, old or new and continue to enjoy them fully to this day. Now you know a good bit of my history and why I feel the way I do. I has nothing to do with being blind and everything to do with my history with ford.
#149
In an effort to change direction a little, I still think that Ford screwed the pooch on the '09 F-150. Don't get me wrong, I love the truck. My thougts are that they should have waited until they had the new engine line-up to market with the new body and goodies that came out this year.
It'll take Ford longer to catch up in terms of HP/TQ than it will take the others to build side steps, tailgate steps and better towing systems. What happens when the others match wits with the F-150? We're back at square one again. This is a game of "one upsmanship". Ford took the award this year because the overall package is better inspite of less power. In years past when the packages have been relatively equal, more power got the nod.
Even though our hopes of a diesel in the F-150 seem to be gone for now, why can't we still get the heavy duty package? I'm all for anything that Ford's SVT can come up with (truck related). Absorb the R & D bucks into the toys and Lincoln product line and eventually spread them across the line-up.
Oh and furthermore, I think Ford should build the F-series trucks so the whole front clip tilts forward for easier access to the engine but without sacrificing impact strenght.
Any thoughts?
Tim
It'll take Ford longer to catch up in terms of HP/TQ than it will take the others to build side steps, tailgate steps and better towing systems. What happens when the others match wits with the F-150? We're back at square one again. This is a game of "one upsmanship". Ford took the award this year because the overall package is better inspite of less power. In years past when the packages have been relatively equal, more power got the nod.
Even though our hopes of a diesel in the F-150 seem to be gone for now, why can't we still get the heavy duty package? I'm all for anything that Ford's SVT can come up with (truck related). Absorb the R & D bucks into the toys and Lincoln product line and eventually spread them across the line-up.
Oh and furthermore, I think Ford should build the F-series trucks so the whole front clip tilts forward for easier access to the engine but without sacrificing impact strenght.
Any thoughts?
Tim
#150
Oh and furthermore, I think Ford should build the F-series trucks so the whole front clip tilts forward for easier access to the engine but without sacrificing impact strength.
Any thoughts?
Tim[/QUOTE]
See now that's the kind of thing I was talking about, it's very forward thinking if you'll pardon the pun.
It has a bit of the wow factor but in my opinion would be very logical and practical to boot.
One has to wonder why Ford or none of the other car/truck companies has thought of doing this.
Rick.
Any thoughts?
Tim[/QUOTE]
See now that's the kind of thing I was talking about, it's very forward thinking if you'll pardon the pun.
It has a bit of the wow factor but in my opinion would be very logical and practical to boot.
One has to wonder why Ford or none of the other car/truck companies has thought of doing this.
Rick.