Moonlighting as a truck theif? Just kidding. Or am I? All truck manufacturers try to one-up the other with either horsepower or options. This is just Dodge's next ante. Like the tailgate step on the Super Duties and now the 150. Don't like a trucks features? Don't buy it. Some guys like the individual options. Only Chevy seems to be behind on both the horsepower and features game. Dodge stomps Chev on the horsepower (half ton trucks) and Ford and Dodge out-feature Chevy. Whats real funny is how Chevy's commercials make fun of these features and seem to brag how Chevy is nothing more than a truck with a V-8 and a cargo bed that gets one mile per gallon better economy. Thats what makes me laugh.
Chevy currently has the most powerful engine in the 1/2ton line-up out of all the major manufacturers including Ford. Ford actually has the least powerful engine of the class.
I would not call the Ram Box and Ford's taligate steps features.....I call them gimmicks to sell vehicles. They may be functional but do nothing to sway me over to them when I need a truck, may work for others though.
the 6.2L from chevy is a good motor im sure, but its still nothing special.
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the 6.2L from chevy is a good motor im sure, but its still nothing special.
It makes 83 more HP and 27 more ft lb TQ than its Ford counterpart. If you maintain that Ford cant be beaten in any category ever, how do explain the 5.4 getting out worked by pretty much every equivalent engine on the market?
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out worked? how so.... you drive a dodge so I hope its good to ya....Fords are the hardest working truck, and you know that for a fact. on 27 more torque???hahaha wow....and 72 horse meh. fords out work them all. My V6 ford will out work you hemi.
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It makes 83 more HP and 27 more ft lb TQ than its Ford counterpart. If you maintain that Ford cant be beaten in any category ever, how do explain the 5.4 getting out worked by pretty much every equivalent engine on the market?
I wouldn't say any in the 1/2 ton category would out work the Ford but they all do indeed outpower the Ford and are all faster than the Ford.
When towing though I thought the Ford didn't do too bad considering its heavier and doesn't have the power the competition does.
thats it man, ford are enginered better, and fords always tow very well even with lack of HP, heck my 4.2L is a great tow truck.
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and fords always tow very well even with lack of HP,
Just think how good they would do if they would just up the HP and TQ so they are at least competitive.
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heck my 4.2L is a great tow truck.
If you are towing something very small.
Oh and I am just going to ignore the fact you think your 4.2 will outwork my HEMI. And before you flame me for being a Dodge owner on a Ford site I'd like you to know this is the first time in my vehicle owning life I havent had a Ford, and am looking to get back into an F-250 V10 soon.
You guys arent reading my posts, I didnt say the Ford truck in general got out worked all the time, I said the 5.4 got out worked. Why does it get outworked? Because it has inexplicably low HP and TQ #'s. Everybody here knows that 5.4's are capable of shelling out a TON of power so why are they so freaking weak as a stock motor?
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Chevy currently has the most powerful engine in the 1/2ton line-up out of all the major manufacturers including Ford. Ford actually has the least powerful engine of the class.
Thats interesting to see them puting that 6.2 in half tons, but to be fair they said that 400 horsepower was on 93 octane. Does anyone know what the Hemi's fuel requirement is? Maybe on 87 that 6.2 would come down on the HP a bit?
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yeah i understand what your saying man, but they still do well, and are the same on fuel...or better, how is the 5.4 weak, its proven good in a SuperDuty....may I also add my 4.2L does quiete well towing 7000+, I have hauled cars to the wreckers on a fuel light before...and never runs out, get me as far as i need it to....I have also moveda 15,000 pound backhoe with my 4.2L Ford.
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Thats interesting to see them puting that 6.2 in half tons, but to be fair they said that 400 horsepower was on 93 octane. Does anyone know what the Hemi's fuel requirement is? Maybe on 87 that 6.2 would come down on the HP a bit?
I think the new hemi requires 91 fuel. I'm shure the 6.2l would lose quite a bit of power on 87, might not even run right. Its a very good idea to look at the minimum fuel requirements.
Running the higher octane E85 the 5.4l puts out 320hp and 390tq.
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You guys arent reading my posts, I didnt say the Ford truck in general got out worked all the time, I said the 5.4 got out worked. Why does it get outworked? Because it has inexplicably low HP and TQ #'s.
I read your post, suppose I just interpreted your wording wrong.
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Everybody here knows that 5.4's are capable of shelling out a TON of power so why are they so freaking weak as a stock motor?
Your guess is as good as mine. IMO Ford could have done better to get the 5.4ls power numbers closer to the competition. I think the new 5.4l F-150 has enough power to pull and get the job done, however I feel Ford is almost required in my eyes to try and stay competitive power wise. At least offer the Rouschcharger as an option on the build sheet for a fair price. Then the truck can be competitive with the other manufacturers straight from the factory.
or better, how is the 5.4 weak, its proven good in a SuperDuty....
Have you ever driven a Superduty with a 5.4 in it? They are so underpowered they cant hardly get out of their own way. I test drove an F-250 King Ranch with a 5.4 in it and was so horribly disapointed with how it performed I wanted to punch the guy who decided to give that turd the King Ranch trim. There is a very good reason why when Ford tests its Superduty's against other brands they use the 6.8, because they would get owned otherwise.
The 5.4 is weak, relatively speaking. Comparing it to the 5.4 of 10 years ago it is a monster, but comparing it to its current competitors it doesnt/never has had anywhere close to an edge up.
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may I also add my 4.2L does quiete well towing 7000+,
So do alot of old Cadillac cars and sub 1/2 ton pickups.
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I have also moveda 15,000 pound backhoe with my 4.2L Ford.
I wouldnt recomend doing that very often, or you will be looking for a replacement for your truck.
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Have you ever driven a Superduty with a 5.4 in it? They are so underpowered they cant hardly get out of their own way.
you must have gotten a bad one then.
my F350, and my nephews F250 will roast the tires off of the truck from a dead dig on a traffic light. and they are both stock 5.4 automatic trans trucks. the F250 has 3.73 gears, and my F350 has 4.10 gears.
and the 3 F350 4X2's we have in work are the same way. if you don't pay attention to what you are doing, you will put the tires up in smoke at a light.
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So do alot of old Cadillac cars and sub 1/2 ton pickups.
Just about any truck could surprise the owner towing a heavy load if they've ignored the tow ratings. When I brought my '78 150 home it was on a tandem-axle car hauler that I borrowed from a friend. The Dakota pulled it like it hardly noticed it even though I'm sure that was well over its rating(anyone know what a car trailer and '70's pickup weigh off hand?) The only problem was that the trailer didn't have those fancy stands in the back to support the weight of the truck going up the ramp, the rear end of the Dakota came off the ground! When someone loads a light duty truck with that much weight they're also taxing the trucks braking system unless they have a trailer with brakes and a controler. I didn't, and I'm not sure I would have liked finding out what happens when a compact truck hauling a full size has to stop PDQ...
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you must have gotten a bad one then.
my F350, and my nephews F250 will roast the tires off of the truck from a dead dig on a traffic light. and they are both stock 5.4 automatic trans trucks. the F250 has 3.73 gears, and my F350 has 4.10 gears.
and the 3 F350 4X2's we have in work are the same way. if you don't pay attention to what you are doing, you will put the tires up in smoke at a light.
Once again, underpowered relatively speaking. VS the V10 or the PSD there is no comparison. If you get a chance light up the tires on a V10, will blow your freaking mind.
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