Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Diesel > Bio-diesel, Propane & Alternative Diesel Engine Fuels
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


Welcome to Ford-Trucks Forums!
Welcome to Ford-Trucks.com.

You are currently viewing our forums as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Ford-Trucks Forums community today!





 
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 12-10-2008, 05:54 PM
Rushmore X's Avatar
Rushmore X Rushmore X is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Rapid City SD
Posts: 3,245
Rushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud of
Dewatering question

We finally have 220 running out to the shed for out GL Eco-Processor. According to Lamling, he recommends heating the oil to 90c to dewater. The 50 gallon Water heater that we use only goes up to 66c or 150f. You would think that even @ 150, there would be water steaming off, especially since we are 3200 above sea level. most of our water should have seperated out in the settling tank anyway.? The question that we have is, do we run the pump when the oil is heated up, or just maintain the heat @ 150 in the tank. thanks
__________________
Trent - 2003 Excursion (Eddie Bauer) 4X4, 7.3, Hellvig antisway bar, 6637 intake mod, 4" MBRP w/ 5" tip, DP tuner, IH up-pipes, redhead steering box, 6.0 trans cooler, ISSPRO & Aeroforce gauges in A-pillar, Wicked Wheel, "Bullet Proof" Transmission rebuilt by Rapid Diesel, extra leaf spring added all around, more to follow! Gone BIO!!!
2002 TDI New Beetle - also likes Bio.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 12-10-2008, 07:24 PM
MAKO314's Avatar
MAKO314 MAKO314 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Harkers Island. NC
Posts: 1,951
MAKO314 has a good reputation on FTE.MAKO314 has a good reputation on FTE.
I heat the oil to about 160*F in a open drum with a air fitting and valve on the bottom and a small fan blowing across the top. once the oil is heated to the 160 I put about 20 psi of air through it, you can see the water vapor blowing off the top like a fog. once the fog clears you're basicly water free.this process normaly takes about an hour for relativly "wet" oil
__________________
2000 F250 been destroked with 5.9 cummins
1990 seven-up mustang
2011 F350 king ranch
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 12-10-2008, 08:17 PM
empiretc's Avatar
empiretc empiretc is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 4,862
empiretc is a name known to allempiretc is a name known to allempiretc is a name known to allempiretc is a name known to allempiretc is a name known to allempiretc is a name known to all
i heat the oil a lot hotter than that. Water boils at 212* F.
__________________
If the lunch meat called spam became the catchword for a depersonalized email message, then social networking should be known as soylent green!

Please, do not text & drive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRwfq7Igvxc

-David
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 12-10-2008, 08:39 PM
MAKO314's Avatar
MAKO314 MAKO314 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Harkers Island. NC
Posts: 1,951
MAKO314 has a good reputation on FTE.MAKO314 has a good reputation on FTE.
In the summer months when the air here in humid as the congo I'll heat the oil to 212 or so but in the fall and winter when the air is dry and cool 160 or so causes the water to heat off without boiling and it takes less energy.the air bubbleing through the oil also causes the free water to fall out and the desolved water to escape out in the air bubbles.
__________________
2000 F250 been destroked with 5.9 cummins
1990 seven-up mustang
2011 F350 king ranch
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 12-10-2008, 09:57 PM
Rushmore X's Avatar
Rushmore X Rushmore X is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Rapid City SD
Posts: 3,245
Rushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud of
Quote:
Originally Posted by MAKO314 View Post
In the summer months when the air here in humid as the congo I'll heat the oil to 212 or so but in the fall and winter when the air is dry and cool 160 or so causes the water to heat off without boiling and it takes less energy.the air bubbleing through the oil also causes the free water to fall out and the desolved water to escape out in the air bubbles.
So then the air being pulled through the venturi helps to dry the oil... In other words I need to run the pump during the process. thanks, we were just wanting to make sure...

thanks again
__________________
Trent - 2003 Excursion (Eddie Bauer) 4X4, 7.3, Hellvig antisway bar, 6637 intake mod, 4" MBRP w/ 5" tip, DP tuner, IH up-pipes, redhead steering box, 6.0 trans cooler, ISSPRO & Aeroforce gauges in A-pillar, Wicked Wheel, "Bullet Proof" Transmission rebuilt by Rapid Diesel, extra leaf spring added all around, more to follow! Gone BIO!!!
2002 TDI New Beetle - also likes Bio.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 12-16-2008, 05:20 PM
spam0012's Avatar
spam0012 spam0012 is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 4
spam0012 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Heck I just heat it up with a sumbersible heater in an open drum. I have a pump that I use to then circulate the heat fuel and spray it across the sides of the drum. Once it gets really warm 100-120 F then I let it go until it clears up and then and aditional 15-20 minutes. I never had a problem.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 12-16-2008, 07:35 PM
Rushmore X's Avatar
Rushmore X Rushmore X is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Rapid City SD
Posts: 3,245
Rushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud of
Quote:
Originally Posted by spam0012 View Post
Heck I just heat it up with a sumbersible heater in an open drum. I have a pump that I use to then circulate the heat fuel and spray it across the sides of the drum. Once it gets really warm 100-120 F then I let it go until it clears up and then and aditional 15-20 minutes. I never had a problem.
Were did you find a submersible heater? Most of the heaters that I have seen are meant for keeping stock tanks open for cattle and float on the surface.
__________________
Trent - 2003 Excursion (Eddie Bauer) 4X4, 7.3, Hellvig antisway bar, 6637 intake mod, 4" MBRP w/ 5" tip, DP tuner, IH up-pipes, redhead steering box, 6.0 trans cooler, ISSPRO & Aeroforce gauges in A-pillar, Wicked Wheel, "Bullet Proof" Transmission rebuilt by Rapid Diesel, extra leaf spring added all around, more to follow! Gone BIO!!!
2002 TDI New Beetle - also likes Bio.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 12-17-2008, 05:51 PM
zhilton's Avatar
zhilton zhilton is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Ft. Smith, AR
Posts: 4,306
zhilton is a name known to allzhilton is a name known to allzhilton is a name known to allzhilton is a name known to allzhilton is a name known to allzhilton is a name known to all
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trent Fliginger View Post
Were did you find a submersible heater? Most of the heaters that I have seen are meant for keeping stock tanks open for cattle and float on the surface.
Here are a couple of choices after a quick search on Google:

Submersible Water Heater - Home & Garden - Compare Prices, Reviews and Buy at NexTag - Price - Review
__________________
FTE Arkansas chapter member
1972 Ranchero GT (351C CobraJet intake)
2001 Explorer XLT 2WD
2004 F250 6.0L 2WD CC "Pavement Princess"
2007 Monaco Starwood SL 31BHD
2012 Focus SEL (Wife's ride)
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 12-17-2008, 06:04 PM
Rushmore X's Avatar
Rushmore X Rushmore X is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Rapid City SD
Posts: 3,245
Rushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud of
thanks, looks like we need at least a thousand watt to heat about 50 gallons of oil enough so it flows.
__________________
Trent - 2003 Excursion (Eddie Bauer) 4X4, 7.3, Hellvig antisway bar, 6637 intake mod, 4" MBRP w/ 5" tip, DP tuner, IH up-pipes, redhead steering box, 6.0 trans cooler, ISSPRO & Aeroforce gauges in A-pillar, Wicked Wheel, "Bullet Proof" Transmission rebuilt by Rapid Diesel, extra leaf spring added all around, more to follow! Gone BIO!!!
2002 TDI New Beetle - also likes Bio.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 12-17-2008, 07:02 PM
zhilton's Avatar
zhilton zhilton is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Ft. Smith, AR
Posts: 4,306
zhilton is a name known to allzhilton is a name known to allzhilton is a name known to allzhilton is a name known to allzhilton is a name known to allzhilton is a name known to all
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trent Fliginger View Post
thanks, looks like we need at least a thousand watt to heat about 50 gallons of oil enough so it flows.
True, if you in a hurry...or it's really cold where your filtering oil you may need a 1000 watts. I wonder since most of those have thermostats in them...could you "dial 'em up" if they're not getting the oil warm enough to flow? A couple of them said they're plastic safe...so it sounds like you could use 'em in one of those 250-300 gallon plastic shipping totes.
__________________
FTE Arkansas chapter member
1972 Ranchero GT (351C CobraJet intake)
2001 Explorer XLT 2WD
2004 F250 6.0L 2WD CC "Pavement Princess"
2007 Monaco Starwood SL 31BHD
2012 Focus SEL (Wife's ride)
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 12-18-2008, 05:36 AM
sundy58's Avatar
sundy58 sundy58 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 108
sundy58 is starting off with a positive reputation.
submersible heater

I am a home brewer and have made a couple of 220vac portable water heaters from hot water heater elements. I will post the links to instructions later today. It real easy just find low density water heater elements, use a sink tailstock for a handle. Wire it up and you have a 4500 watt heater for $50 or less. McMaster sells submersible heaters but they are a heck of alot more.
__________________
1997 F350 4X4 Crewcab NAPA Filter mod.Welldesigned GVWR
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 12-18-2008, 06:02 PM
Rushmore X's Avatar
Rushmore X Rushmore X is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Rapid City SD
Posts: 3,245
Rushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud ofRushmore X has much to be proud of
Quote:
Originally Posted by sundy58 View Post
I am a home brewer and have made a couple of 220vac portable water heaters from hot water heater elements. I will post the links to instructions later today. It real easy just find low density water heater elements, use a sink tailstock for a handle. Wire it up and you have a 4500 watt heater for $50 or less. McMaster sells submersible heaters but they are a heck of alot more.
look forward to seeing it. Already unusually colder than normal here, and we have frozen oil to deal with now.
__________________
Trent - 2003 Excursion (Eddie Bauer) 4X4, 7.3, Hellvig antisway bar, 6637 intake mod, 4" MBRP w/ 5" tip, DP tuner, IH up-pipes, redhead steering box, 6.0 trans cooler, ISSPRO & Aeroforce gauges in A-pillar, Wicked Wheel, "Bullet Proof" Transmission rebuilt by Rapid Diesel, extra leaf spring added all around, more to follow! Gone BIO!!!
2002 TDI New Beetle - also likes Bio.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 12-19-2008, 06:43 AM
sundy58's Avatar
sundy58 sundy58 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 108
sundy58 is starting off with a positive reputation.
alfter.us - Heatstick Construction

Burners & Electric Pot Heaters - High Gravity

Here are two examples but I can't find the best one. These won't work with solid oil. You must have liquid around the element.

McMaster has drum heaters that wrap around a drum but they aren't cheap. One of those might give you liquid to work with.

Find Sandhog Long Life II Heating Element, 4500W x 240V and other Water Heaters at Aubuchon Hardware this is the heater element I bought.
__________________
1997 F350 4X4 Crewcab NAPA Filter mod.Welldesigned GVWR
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 12-19-2008, 06:48 AM
sundy58's Avatar
sundy58 sundy58 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 108
sundy58 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Found the good page! Bodensatz Brewing - The Beer Site
__________________
1997 F350 4X4 Crewcab NAPA Filter mod.Welldesigned GVWR
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 12-19-2008, 06:51 AM
sundy58's Avatar
sundy58 sundy58 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 108
sundy58 is starting off with a positive reputation.
This one shows putting the element in the barrel. We use 1/2 barrels (16 gallon keg) for brewing. I would think a bigger barrel would be even easier.

CD's New Electric Wort Boiler
__________________
1997 F350 4X4 Crewcab NAPA Filter mod.Welldesigned GVWR
Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2008, 06:51 AM
Reply

Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Diesel > Bio-diesel, Propane & Alternative Diesel Engine Fuels

Tags
spam0012

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Statement - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.

vbulletin Admin Backup