a person can't control being an alcoholic no more than they can control having blue or brown eyes. what we can control and have no excuse for is our actions.
greywolf, I was not trying to offend, just stating a well known fact about alcoholism. I have seen a lot of your posts and generally agree with what u have 2 say, but watch the personal attacks.
Look, I lost my brother, I wanted to let you all know, this is what this particular thread was to be for......and this is guaranteed to be one of the worst days of my life (1-6-09) and I need the prayer and support that the members of this site seem to be able to give to one another.....
I never wanted to start a debate of any sort, I have not dealt with my loss as of yet, as I am trying to stay strong for my children, as it is also a tough time for them....I will be forced to deal with it on Tuesday and then I will begin to heal.......
I do NOT have, nor do I suspect I will ever get the emotional support from my 'family' that I need.....
I told the story of my brother, as I wanted you to understand that the relationship we share was one of likeness.....we were both cast away from our homes and families.....left to fend for ourselves.....we chose seperate and different paths to take, but we still loved and supported on another.....he chose to let his past control his future and he died and untimely death, I chose to live with my strengths and let my convictions guide me through a very difficult life, filled with many questionable decisions, but I have my children and Paul to help me through the rest of my life and keep me on my toes.....
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a person can't control being an alcoholic no more than they can control having blue or brown eyes. what we can control and have no excuse for is our actions.
I call BS!
You have NO idea what your talking about!
I've been married to the same wife longer than you've been alive (37 years), And clean and sober for 34 of those years! When I came back from Viet Nam I was a stone cold alky with a huge chip on my shoulder, and it damn near ruined my life. I quit drinking when I almost lost my best friend, never looked back, and don't drink to this day! So don't ever say you can't change...........I'm living proof that you can!
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agreed. in 1984 when i realized the drugs did not work for the pain from my broken neck, and my life fell apart, i climbed into a bottle, and was a full blown alcoholic till i buried my best friend on Nov 3, 2000. on Nov 4 2000, i woke up, and threw away 2 1/2 pack of cigarettes, and stopped drinking. have not had a drop to drink or anything to smoke since that day.
anyone who says they can't quit is only making excuses because they don't want to quit.
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I did not say u could not quit or change. Those of us who are an alcoholic will always be alcoholic. I am in recovery, I sobered up after 20 years of hard drinking. My point was that someone being an alcoholic is not in and of itself that persons fault, but what are actions are is our responsibility. I seriously do not know how my point was mistaken by any reasonable adult. BTW, what I posted is a medically proven fact, unless u believe the AMA and the new england journal of medicine are full of crap. Nor was my intent to dig into anyones personal life, again i do not know how that was taken that way either.
a person can't control being an alcoholic no more than they can control having blue or brown eyes. what we can control and have no excuse for is our actions.
This is not the time nor the place to enter into this sort of discussion. Please try to exercise some couth. Meaning somethings are best not said. Think if it was one your family members. We are dealing with real people and real emotions here.
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I call BS!
You have NO idea what your talking about!
I've been married to the same wife longer than you've been alive (37 years), And clean and sober for 34 of those years! When I came back from Viet Nam I was a stone cold alky with a huge chip on my shoulder, and it damn near ruined my life. I quit drinking when I almost lost my best friend, never looked back, and don't drink to this day! So don't ever say you can't change...........I'm living proof that you can!
I agree. It happened in my family as well. It takes one event to serve as a wake up call, and yes a person can change.
I can't imagine having to say goodbye to one of my siblings. I know its going to hurt a lot.
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actually, i do believe that the AMA and the new england journal of medicine are full of crap.
once i was an alcholic. i an no longer one. it is not "in our Genes"
it is a choice we make.
i can fully control my ability to have a drink,or a cigarette, or not.
and i also know that if i was to decide to have an alcoholic drink, i would not go back to that lifestyle, because i have no desire to do so.
as i said befor, people who claim to be addicted to something, or claim that they cant quit are not ready to.
if you want to do something, you will do it. saying you can't is just an excuse for not wanting to quit.
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