I just bought a used 2003 F150 7700 super cab, short box, 5.4L, 3.73. I bought it with the understanding that it had a greater payload and towing capacity than the average 1/2 ton.
Having no experience towing trailers I checked Ford specifications on this vehicle which stated that I can pull a maximum trailer weight of 8200lbs. Just randomly surfing the Internet that seems to be generally accepted. However, here's where I become confused. I have just read in the towing section of the manual that the combined weight of the towing vehicle (including passengers, cargo, etc.) and the loaded weight of the trailer cannot exceed the GCWR (Gross Combination Weight Rating). Since my GCWR is 13,500lbs, and the GVWR of the truck is 7700lbs, I'm left with a difference of 5,800lbs.
Having bought the truck thinking I could safely tow ~8000lbs, I'm feeling a little depressed if I can only tow around 5000lbs. So I found this website, and I felt better 'cause its a website full of guys that drive Ford trucks. I reckoned that here would be a good place to get a straight answer to my problem.
Thanks in advance for taking the time to help a guy out.
I had a 2000 f150 (none 7700) up to 2 month ago and pulled a 6500# 5 wheel plus firewood and all the there camping stuff with no problem. I was around 8000# with all of this stuff combined. You shound not have any problem, just slow on the hills.
7700lbs is the maximum the truck should have on it, it only weighs in the 5Klb area so you have a good 2500lbs available to put in the bed and if your GCVW is 13K then you have your 8K available for the trailer.
Nothing like trying to clear things up by introducing "GCVW" to the mix of "GVWR" & "GCWR". Not sure if "7700lbs is the maximum the truck should have on it" accurately gets the point across either.
"GVWR" is the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating for the pickup when carrying the maximum design load. Its the total weight of the pickup & everything it alone is carrying.
"GCWR" is the Gross Combined Weight Rating for the pickup when towing the maximun design load. Its the total weight of the pickup, trailer & everything they're carrying.
Figuring "Since my GCWR is 13,500lbs, and the GVWR of the truck is 7700lbs, I'm left with a difference of 5,800lbs" would only be useful when pickup is loaded to the max & you need to estimate how much trailer weight you could tow safely. However galaxie641 has the right idea. You want the "difference" between the weight of your loaded pickup & the "GCWR" to estimate the maximum weight you "could safely tow". An unloaded "2003 F150 7700 super cab" is ~"5Klb" so the "difference" between that & the "GCWR is 13,500lbs" would be 8500 lb. The more you load into the PU-the less you can tow.
IMO galaxie641's "you have a good 2500lbs available to put in the bed and if your GCVW is 13K then you have your 8K available for the trailer" suggests overloading. "7700lbs is the maximum the truck should have on it....then you have your 8K available for the trailer". This adds up to 15,700 lb which would be well over the 13,000 lb "GCWR". The idea is that you can't do both, maximum load in the pickup & maximum trailer weight. The extra trailer weight is to be carried mostly on the additional tires & heavy trailers are expected to have brakes.
Actually I did not suggest loading the bed to full capacity then hooking a full trailer to it but people read what they want to I guess. I figured the "and" was evident to most but I suppose a period would be necessary for nitpickers or idiots.
and earnest folks like jp_foster, who inquire about their "GCWR is 13,500lbs, and the GVWR of the truck is 7700lbs" you might consider defining what you meant by "GCVW is 13K". Others might consider 500-1000 lb discrepancies significant.
Readers should note that misc FORD literature on my desk use "GVWR" & "GCWR" in their maximum payload/towing specs in both sales literature & owners manual. I find no reference to galaxie641's "GCVW" anywhere.
Your post would still be misleading had you written: "7700lbs is the maximum the truck should have on it, it only weighs in the 5Klb area so you have a good 2500lbs available to put in the bed. If your GCVW is 13K then you have your 8K available for the trailer."
I did not post "bed to full capacity then hooking a full trailer" either-I quoted your words/weights. IMO what might be left unclear in your post "suggests overloading" 3700 lb beyond "full capacity".
I genuinely appreciate everyone who replied to my original post. Your information has helped me understand what I need to do to ensure that I am towing and hauling safely with my truck. Thank-you for taking the time to help me out, I really appreciate it.
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