The DPF's are to pacify the tree huggers. Everybody gets rid of them asap. We already know how to defeat the DPF's, so if I have to have one on my F150 diesel to get one that's ok. I'll just get rid of it asap.
Not everybody.
And DPF removal is going to be a more involved process on the DEF consuming 2010 emission engines with less benefit to the truck owner.
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2004 E-450 6.0 139,000 miles
7,500 mile, 15 quart oil changes, 5W-40 Rotella.
UOAs consist of checking for metal on drain plug magnet. All stock, no mods. Dyed fuel with no additives. Never been reflashed.
Total parts replaced;
one EGR valve.
gm has their 4.5L that was suppose to be out in 2009 i think, that motor was half the weight, and close to the same power as the 6.6L. 310+ hp and 520+ ft lbs of tourque, all the while consuming less fuel, and less emisions. the technology is out there, its the same as the eve1 gm electric cars. they had a range of 200 miles or so, and you just had to plug them in to charge. that is 0 emissions, except for the power plants emissions. but that got scrapped, because gm was making money on servicable parts(oil filters, fuel filters, etc) there is technology to have straight electric vehicles run for 500+ miles between charges, but the oil companies bought the pattents on those batteries.
around here, there would be a huge market for a 1/2 ton diesel. as mentioned, there are alot of people around here who own a 3/4 ton diesel, just so they can have a diesel, but only really need a 1/2 ton. whoever comes out with the first 1/2 ton diesel, is going to make a killing, its just who wants to do it first. its kind of like the new 05(i think was the first year of the new body style) mustangs, the retro look. nobody else had done it, but it was gonna be a do or die situation.then gm and chrysler had to come and try to copy the retro look for their muscle. Ford just really needs to make that first jump again.
i also agree with the inline 4 or 6 theory. inlines are more fuel efficient, better tourque curves, and all around better, more reliale engines.
i also think with a little marketing, people could really see the change from the noisy, smelly diesels of the 80's and 90's to today.
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it would also open up the biodiesel for a half ton, which if the big 3 starts offering 1/2 tomn diesels, will realy open the biodiesel technology due to increase demand.
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Your analysis is right on the money. It will be interesting to see how the big, or should I say smaller, three react to the introduction of the Mahindra pickup, particularly if it is successful. Who could have imagined, even only several years ago, that an Indian company could be a market leader in the US auto industry.
My f150 with the 4bt has got 25mpg on the highway and averages 21-23mpg normally. The worst I have ever got with it was 17 and that was towing 5000lbs.
From what I've read, Ford, Dodge, and Chevy all have 1/2 ton diesels essentially ready to go but are hesitant to pull the production trigger. I think they were supposed to be out in 2010 but all have postponed the release date.
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1995 Ford F-150
Black/Silver-Extended Cab-4x4-M5R2
Powered by a 3.9L Cummins 4BT TurboDiesel
I think the biggest reason they do not want to release the 1/2 ton diesel is because they are not sure if they can sell enough of them to make it worth it and make up the loss of sales from the 3/4 ton diesels. the larger the truck the larger the profit and they would have to either charge a butt load of money for the 1/2 ton or sell a butt load of them at a reasonable price. just my .02
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I think the biggest reason they do not want to release the 1/2 ton diesel is because they are not sure if they can sell enough of them to make it worth it and make up the loss of sales from the 3/4 ton diesels. the larger the truck the larger the profit and they would have to either charge a butt load of money for the 1/2 ton or sell a butt load of them at a reasonable price. just my .02
I think you hit it right on the head. They arent sure if enough people will fork over the extra money for the diesel, and those who do might be buying an 1/2 ton as opposed to a 3/4 ton. Diesel Power magazine seems to think GM will be the first to release a 1/2 ton diesel. Only time will tell.
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1995 Ford F-150
Black/Silver-Extended Cab-4x4-M5R2
Powered by a 3.9L Cummins 4BT TurboDiesel
As I've said before, I'd be interested if they did it. I don't really need a 3/4 ton truck, but I sure could use better fuel mileage and more torque and power while I do tow my trailer. If I could get 20-23 mpg empty on the highway and 14 or so towing, I'd be one happy camper.
My 2003 Ram 2500 4X4 delivers a consistent 23 MPG at 65 MPH. Only mods are the Rokktech CPS, Dynatrac hubs, and an AFE intake elbow. No fueling mods of any kind. Unfortunately, none of the 2007+ trucks will match that. I think the secret for a 1/2 ton pickup is not the power the manufacturers are leaning toward, but a 200 HP 4 cylinder engine that could deliver 30MPG would be the ticket.
Unfortunately, the only ones that the car companies listen to are the bean counters and stockholders. If they had listened to the customer they probably would never have gotten in the mess they're in now.
If Ford would offer the diesel in the F150, and then if they offered it in the Expedition I would order one immediately and trade in my wife's '08 Expy with the 5.4 gasser. The 5.4 in that thing is really sweet but the diesel would be a great thing!
I was not in the income bracket when the Excursion was out. It's our dream vehicle and they quit making it dang it. I'd have an Excursion with the new 6.7 Scorpion immediately if they made it.
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'08 F-250 4X4 CC 6.4
RideRite Airbags in Rear w/onboard compressor
Bilstein Shocks, Dual Air Horns (under hood)
Edge Insight Gauge Cluster
4-Way "wig wag" strobe lights
Polk speakers, Kicker 10" sub, 600w amp
I'd have an Excursion with the new 6.7 Scorpion immediately if they made it.
When you get a chance, Google "Custom Autos by Tim". They build stretch Super Duties and they build "new" Excursions based on the SD platform. They are identical to the Excursion but with all the current powertrain, suspension, body panels, etc. They basically use a new SD and convert it. They look fantastic!
His site says they do two, four, and six door Excursions. For some reason, I can't post a link to his site.....the filters here keep blocking out the letters and it shows as a broken link. You really have to see the interior shots to appreciate it. The craftsmanship is exceptional.
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2007 GMC Yukon Denali
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