Ford rethinking diesel f-150

[WhëëlMå1]

Oh, and I thought I had read (Stated by someone in the performance industry) that this mill was already at the EPA for certification.... sounds a bit late in the game to shelf it.

[hsfbfan]

Nowhere in the article did it say they were considering shelving the engine. The article was that it might not be available in the F150. I'm sure they will go ahead and offer it in the Super Duty line.

[WinterRoad]

Originally Posted by mnmwhit

I'll tell you what DOES apply.

I like many others have been waiting patiently for another diesel SUV to replace the Excursion. I was counting on that engine in an EXPY. I would probably get the first one I could. I have been driving my Ford salesman nuts asking about it. Won't he be pissed when He finds out Fords NOT going to come through and I will probably buy a Chevy Suburban when they put the 4.5 Duramax in it next year.

Ford will miss a huge market if they don't get thier act together.

Dunno if this means anything but my brother-in-law owns a large GM dealership in Canada and is part of some sort of GM-run market group... anyhow I have been buggin him about the baby-Max and when we will see it. He claimed GM has decided against offering it in a 1/2-ton chassis. They are shifting their focus to hybrids, mixed-fuel tech, more fuel-efficient gas offerings and electric options based on consumer-focus group studies showing North-Americans still feel diesel is "dirty". Hmmn??? But he didn't say it was shelved either... just that in the near future it is not being considerd as an option. Hope he's wrong... but if he's right Ford I'm sure has done similar studies.

[jdrahush]

Just some food for thought. North America uses mostly gasoline vehicles, while Europe uses mostly diesel fuel. If North America starts shifting its vehicles to use diesel fuel it will increase the demand for diesel as it will upset the current global balance of supply and most of the worlds vehicles will be using the same fuel. With increased consumption and therefore demand the price of diesel will probably rise alot, which negates one of the chief benefits of a diesel engine: saving money. This may just be one of the reasons that Ford, Toyota, and possibly GM have started coasting along on their diesel projects and moving towards Ecoboost, Hybrids, etc... Just a thought

[origcharger]

At least in Iowa, diesel fuel is taxed more than gasoline which is taxed more than ethanol blended gasoline. So now Bill and Betty vehicle buyer look at the pump prices and see gas at $2.00 and diesel at $3.00 and you have yet to tell them that they have to also buy urea to keep that diesel moving on down the road. As things stand now, diesel is the answer to a question Bill and Betty probably are not asking.

[valdor]

Originally Posted by jdrahush

Just some food for thought. North America uses mostly gasoline vehicles, while Europe uses mostly diesel fuel. If North America starts shifting its vehicles to use diesel fuel it will increase the demand for diesel as it will upset the current global balance of supply and most of the worlds vehicles will be using the same fuel. With increased consumption and therefore demand the price of diesel will probably rise alot, which negates one of the chief benefits of a diesel engine: saving money. This may just be one of the reasons that Ford, Toyota, and possibly GM have started coasting along on their diesel projects and moving towards Ecoboost, Hybrids, etc... Just a thought

You make a good point that i have not given much thought, esp as far as the global balance is concernend.

[Larry NCKS]

Originally Posted by meanv10

What a joke. cant believe ford would pass this up regardless of price. Thats not stopping them for trying to sell a 6.4 that gets @##$ gas millage.

My 6.4 doesn't use any amount of gas at all. It does like its diesel fuel, however!

[meanv10]

Originally Posted by jdrahush

Just some food for thought. North America uses mostly gasoline vehicles, while Europe uses mostly diesel fuel. If North America starts shifting its vehicles to use diesel fuel it will increase the demand for diesel as it will upset the current global balance of supply and most of the worlds vehicles will be using the same fuel. With increased consumption and therefore demand the price of diesel will probably rise alot, which negates one of the chief benefits of a diesel engine: saving money. This may just be one of the reasons that Ford, Toyota, and possibly GM have started coasting along on their diesel projects and moving towards Ecoboost, Hybrids, etc... Just a thought

But through chemical refinement of crude oil they can change the percentages of gas and diesel in a barrel of oil.

To bad most refineries are the older refineries that refine through only steam.

[Saleenguy]

Interesting idea for sure.

I maybe the minority here, but I am one of those people that would like to see Ford build it.

A torquey motor, that gets decent fuel mileage, and hopefully is not too expensive an option up from a gasser, will help sway me to buy a new truck from Ford when I get rid of mine.
If they build it, and it meets those expectations that is.

I haul some weight, tow lots, and do lots of HWY trips, rarely ever use my truck for short runs, or in town, so its appealing to me.

[IcemanV8]

You can get a little Volkswagon that takes diesel, or a big Mercedes...

So I see nothing wrong with the option of having a diesel like that in an F-150. Some people prefer diesel.

[tomfrey]

While I would love to see a diesel F-150, I dont think America will pay the premium for both the motor and the price of the fuel. I do see smaller diesel powered cars that get 40-50 mpg selling here..... Just my 2 cents......

[court1100f]

I'd Buy it in a heart beat!!!!!! If I recall it was supposed to put out 345-375Ft Lbs of Torque and I'm guessing being A. a Diesel. and B.Turbo charged. and C. Small displacement it would get probly 26-35MPG on the Freeway try getting that out of a 351W/460/or 5.4/or V10.........

[andrewzx92000]

They probably put a particulate filter on that thing and it would only do 15 mpg and a gas engine will do that cheaper.
This year they are not offering a diesel in the E350 vans, they are only offering the V10. Why? because a 6.0 with a particulate filter won't do any better mileage than my V10 14.5 on the highway at 75-80 mph,, and it costs more to do it. Even if it did 17 the fuel mileage is killed by the cost of the diesel.
They need to get the government to take the particulate filters and throw them away in the name of conserving fuel and let the mileage go back up where it would be on diesels
Just my two cents
Andrew.

[mnmwhit]

Originally Posted by MisterCMK

How big is this market that you speak of? Think about how many people are making knee jerk decisions to sell their large SUVs for something that gets better mileage. Diesel vehicles have gotten a bad rap for mileage due to the fact that they are in 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. Combine that with the price of diesel fuel compared to gasoline and you will have consumers that don't want to buy it because they perceive that a gas motor will be better.

All depends on what part of the country you live in. Up here everybody tows something. Snowmobiles, ATVs Dirtbikes Campers, boats, firewood heavy equipment.....We have one Ford Dealer. The next closes one is 350 miles away. They sell more diesels here than everything else. The market here would be huge.

[mnmwhit]

Originally Posted by origcharger

At least in Iowa, diesel fuel is taxed more than gasoline which is taxed more than ethanol blended gasoline. So now Bill and Betty vehicle buyer look at the pump prices and see gas at $2.00 and diesel at $3.00 and you have yet to tell them that they have to also buy urea to keep that diesel moving on down the road. As things stand now, diesel is the answer to a question Bill and Betty probably are not asking.

I am allready thinking the urea, EGR and DFP could be removed and retuned.