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Old 10-11-2008, 11:40 AM
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460 or 302?

ok. So I've got a 240 I6 now. originally came with a 300. not my daily driver and I want an 8 in the thing. was gonna put a 302HO in it. but then was looking on engine house and a 460 long block is like 60 bucks more than the 302. does anyone like the 460? would it be just absolutely too much? I would like to just put my foot to the floor and GO!!! Was thinking about the 302 when was considering driving it more often and getting a little better mileage.
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Oh yeah who wouldnt like a 460 they are a good engine loads of power but everyone probably hates the gas mileage I dont think it would be to much but it depends what your doing with the truck daily driver, weekend cruiser
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Old 10-11-2008, 01:39 PM
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ok. here we go. what would YOU choose? any engine.
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i think gas mileage will be around the same with either motor.... think about it... the 302 has to work its little butt off to move that 4000 pounds of truck...{as stated on the title of my 63 the scale weight is 4000 pounds} so its gonna burn up more gas working that hard... as to where that 460 will easliy move that 4000 pounds... but its got a bigger cylinder so more room for gas to go into and explode.....

i would personally take 460.... i mean around the same gas mileage.... but think of the power increase.... now i do belive i could hook a chain around a house... and tie that chain around the rear frame of my truck... and drop it in granny low.... and hit the gas, and as long as ive got traction.... i could pull that house down the freeway....

now my thinking only invovles a 292... so add that 460 to my truck... and i will probablly think about pulling 2 or 3 houses down the road
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ok. So I've got a 240 I6 now. originally came with a 300. not my daily driver and I want an 8 in the thing. was gonna put a 302HO in it. but then was looking on engine house and a 460 long block is like 60 bucks more than the 302. does anyone like the 460? would it be just absolutely too much? I would like to just put my foot to the floor and GO!!! Was thinking about the 302 when was considering driving it more often and getting a little better mileage.
What budget?

Just a cruiser?

JMO:

If you are going to go to all the work (and there will be a lot) of putting a 460 in this truck, why would you put some dog poop parts house rebuild in there? IMO there is no point in going 460 unless you are after a real ground-pounder, and the engine you are looking at is a stock rebuild, probably has 8 something : 1 compression---why waste your time?

Here's an idea: Rebuild your 240 with performance parts and put a built AOD or T5 manual behind it.
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just a thought as I recall the 240 uses the same bellhousing as the 302, 351w and the 351c anyone of which would make a great drop in motor (and they all use the same motor mounts) But if your looking for bragging rights and such then a 429/460 gets you there (but personally if I was JUST looking for the bragging rights the 429 SOUNDS meaner just cause people think 429 CJ or SCJ where as the 460 is considered a linclon or truck engine even though has as good as performance but it's a preception deal) The other option is a 514 stroker too.

IF it was my truck the answer is a big block but I am kinda known for running big blocks LOL. second choice would be a cleveland (many people that aren't even ford fans know what a cleveland is and are scared of them) JMHO
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I converted my '66 from a 352 and 3 speed OD to a 460/C6 combo - and I like it.
The conversion is NOT hard to do, and it is all FORD bolt up parts too! - PROVIDED three conditions are met:
1. You obtain the engine perches for the 460 from a 73 - 79 F-250
2. You obtain a complete 460 truck bracket and pulley set
3. You do this to a '65 or later Twin I-beam truck.

Here is my setup:

I am getting 15 MPG at 70 MPH with a nearly stock 460 in my '66 F-100. And I have power to spare.
‘86 460 bored 60 over with stock '86 heads - no porting
'77 F-250 460 engine perches and mounts
'69 straight up cam gears, Cloyes double roller with RV type cam
Edelbrock Performer (not RPM) intake and 1470 750 CFM carb on a 1" phenolic spacer
'76 Duraspark II ignition
Stock aftermarket manifolds with a 2 1/2 inch dual exhaust (plain mufflers); copper gaskets
'93 serpentine belt brackets and pulleys
'78 power steering pump, hoses with ’93 PS pulley
'76 power steering box
’76 power steering pitman arm
’92 power steering cooler, mounted in the frame
'70 steering column
'66 radiator (re-cored)
'66 alternator with '93 serpentine pulley and fan
'86 water pump
'86 fan clutch with '77 7-blade fan
'83 C-6 from an '83 F-350 fifth wheeler, with '77 C-6 linkage (internal shift rod and kickdown)
2.75 rear end
'83 stock rear sump oil pan, with stock oil pump, pickup tube and dipstick (includes main bearing bolt with stud to hold pickup in place)
Includes '93 A/C compressor, but A/C is not installed. (Needed for the serpentine belts.)
’76 F-150 3-inch rear brakes

The only modifications I had to make were:
Fabricate an accelerator cable bracket by combining an FE one with a 385 one.
Shorten the front driveshaft to adapt to the C-6 (with a conversion joint)
Change the C-6 internal shift linkage from a ’68 – ’79 C-6.
I used the '86 upper radiator hose on my original radiator, and it fit perfect once I cut one end short about 4 inches.
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I have been asked several times about my 460 swap, so I thought I would post my thoughts on the subject.

The following apply ONLY to the Twin-I beam trucks (’65 and ’66), except where noted.

In swapping from an FE (or any other engine), there are a lot of minor adjustments to make, ASSUMING you use the original 3-piece Ford truck motor perches used from ’73 or so to ’79, up to the F-250 rated trucks. They bolt right up to the existing frame holes.
The problems are more irritants, none are major, but they eat away really fast at your time and your money.
If you do not use the factory mounts, you will be in for a lot more alterations.
If you get a '79 or earlier truck donor, then you will solve a number of these issues right away.
Also, I could have replaced my 352 with a 390 for less than half of what I spent on the 460 transplant, and it would have been a bolt-in solution. So, knowing what I do know now, I wish in some fashion I had stayed with the FE. I sure like that 460 power though!
Here are the issues you will face:
1. The LMC and other aftermarket mounts mention that they won't fit the Lincoln and Mercury motors. I think this refers to the old MEL 461 motors, used up to '66 or '67, maybe '68 - I do not recall the exact date. I believe this is the case with those mounts, anyway, in that it appears they are confusing the MELs with the 385 series engines. The MELs are a completely different animal than the 385 Series 429/460. However, the 429/460 block is very nearly identical except in internal details from '68 to 96, so I do not see how they can say that Lincoln 460s won’t fit right to their mounts. The 385 engines were originally a design, as evidenced by the “V” indicator used before ’79 – even in the trucks. The “T” designator for truck didn’t show up until the ‘80s.
2. You cannot use the car brackets and pulleys, as they usually sit too low. They will interfere with the frame and cross member. This does not apply to the non-twin I-beam trucks. You can use the correct V-belt pulleys and brackets from a truck 460 up to ’79, but get EVERYTHING including spacers, harmonic balancer and the correct bolts. If you want, you can use the serpentine system from a truck (not a van) 460, brackets, pulleys and all, and it will fit fine. You can use the '96 alternator fan and pulley on the '66 alternator, the '96 power steering pump on a ’70s power steering gearbox, etc.
3. If the C-6 is from a car, you will probably have to change the transmission rear tailshaft housing for one from a truck C-6 to get the correct transmission mount to work. The car tailshaft uses a different transmission mount, and it is located in a different spot.
4. Driveshaft will need to be altered, with a conversion joint. You may want to alter the donor vehicle driveshaft (car or truck) - and be sure to get the slipjoint from out of the transmission.
5. The internal shift linkage of the car transmission will need to be changed out. It is easy to do, requires no special tools, and the internal linkage from any truck C-6 (not car!) up to '79 will work.
6. The external linkage from the steering column shift lever to the transmission shift lever will need altering – unless you use a ’69 – ’72 steering column like I did.
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"Chiristine" has a 472 EFI and gets about 16 to a gallon with the 2.75 gear set and C6.

Mean Nasty little short bed...

To mount a 385 series you can use all factory components in a 65 66 or buy aftermarket mounts. Your current transmission bellhousing will not mount to the big block 429 469 bell

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just get one of those 460 small blocks best of both worlds
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Ok and just who can afford a FOURTEEN thousand buck world products "Man O War?

Im lucky i can afford the electricty to type this after this week on the street....

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i know it was a joke i just really one for my bird
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LOL

Figgured you were just kiddin'

I want one too.... but have to settle for 4.6 DOHC

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have one i aint impressed i have had to many monster motors i guess
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I have a 61 Merc unibody that I gave a V8 transplant to. A 585 HP 460 C/6 combo..........................................it is not too much................I was actually thinkin' of blowing it, although it does pretty much scare the **it outa me every time I drive it.
Go with the 460 man, you'll never regret it.
Gas milage is gas milage, havin' a hard-on every time your behind the wheel is worth it.
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