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Old 09-24-2008, 01:17 PM
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When were 16.5" wheels available?

Hi Fellas,

My literature tells me that most, if not all of the '65/'66 F-250 Slicks were equipped with 8-lug rear axles. I suspect the vast majority of these trucks were outfitted from the factory with 16" wheels, however, my book says they could have been equipped with optional 17", 17.5" or 19.5" wheels (the larger wheels would increase the GVWR).

Well - I"ve got 16.5" wheels on my '65 F250. I suspect they came for a later model year truck. Does anyone know when FORD first started & ended using the 16.5", 8-lug wheels?

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By the way - as I read it, the Camper Special package could have be had with the 129" wb F100 AND the 129"wb F250. (I don't believe I've EVER seen a Slick F100 Camper Special). In addition, with the CS package, the F100 would get 15" slit-rim wheels and the F250 would get 16" split-rim wheels. Is this correct?
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Someone has read my gallery it seems :-) There were indeed F100 CS trucks...I just parted one out actually...they had the 15" split rims...as for the 3/4 tons, the 17" and larger wheels were for 4WD and 1 ton trucks respectively. Mine too has the OE 16.5 wheels on it...split rims also. If your truck has 1 piece wheels the OE splits have been swapped out. I believe the last year for split rims all together on 3/4 ton trucks was 71 or 72 but if I am not correct im sure otheers will chime in correcting me if I am incorrect.
Mine has the 16.5 split rim wheels which all 3/4 tons regardless of CS or not came with in 65 and 66 unless specially ordered otherwise. These wheels, as well as the F100 wheels all would have 'innie' type nubs for the bottle cap hub caps to attach to.


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anyone know a place that makes reproduction hub caps?
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anyone know a place that makes reproduction hub caps?
For F100's, yes.

Just reproduced by Dennis Carpenter in the "Innie" style 9 1/2" diameter Stainless Steel "Bottle Cap" hubcap used 1961/67 = C3TZ-1130-A.

AFAIK, no one is reproducing the 1961/66 F250 "innie" hubcaps, which are 10 1/2" diameter.

Some 1961/67 F100's also used 10 1/2" diameter hubcaps, but these are "outies" and these won't work on F250's even if the wheels have been changed to the outie style, because they aren't deep enough.
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Hey Bill/NumberDummy (or anyone else who knows),

1)
Can you tell me: what model years did FORD first start & end using the 16.5" diameter, 8-lug wheels?

2)
I was told that the 8-lug wheels do NOT interchange between chevy/dodge and fords w/DANA 60 rear ends. In other words, if you've got an 8-lug, DANA 60 rearend, you've got to use ONLY FORD 8-lug rims, as chevy/dodge rims will not provide sufficient clearance for the brake drums....is that true?

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According to what I've read, when ordering the 'CamperSpecial' package, the F100 would get 15" slit-rim wheels and the F250 would get 16" split-rim wheels. Is this correct?

4)
What was the purpose of the split-rim design - is it a "stronger" rim design, providing a higher GVW capacity?

5)
Is a split-rim a tubed-only tire package or could you also run tubeless tires on the split-rims?

THANKS IN ADVANCE for your information, knowledge and expertise!

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1) Can you tell me: what model years did FORD first start & end using the 16.5" diameter, 8-lug wheels?
Split rims: 1930's. The wheel for 1961/66 F250's was first used in 1957 (B7TZ-1007-A), the split ring: 1948 (8J-1099).

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I was told that the 8-lug wheels do NOT interchange between chevy/dodge and fords w/DANA 60 rear ends. In other words, if you've got an 8-lug, DANA 60 rearend, you've got to use ONLY FORD 8-lug rims, as chevy/dodge rims will not provide sufficient clearance for the brake drums....is that true?
i haven't the slightest idea whether Dodge/Chevrolet/Studebaker truck rims interchange with Ford.

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According to what I've read, when ordering the 'CamperSpecial' package, the F100 would get 15" split-rim wheels and the F250 would get 16" split-rim wheels. Is this correct?
All the F250's used split rims, Camper Special or not. Split rims were optional on F100's, but AFAIK, didn't come with the Camper Special package. Don (cs65) says they did as he has the dealer facts book. There was a one owner 1966 F100 CS on display at the F100 Supernats held in Knoxville TN last May. It did not have split rims.

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What was the purpose of the split-rim design - is it a "stronger" rim design, providing a higher GVW capacity?
Split rims are used with tube type tires, and were a safety feature first used in the 1930's. The theory was if the tire blew, the ring kept it on the wheel.

5)
Is a split-rim a tubed-only tire package YES. Could you also run tubeless tires on the split-rims? NO.

THANKS IN ADVANCE for your information, knowledge and expertise!

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You are right that only certain 16" rims will fit the Ford Dana 60. This is the simplest way I can explain it.
Chevy Dana 60= Small Hub Center
Ford Dana 60= Medium size Hub Center
Dodge Dana 60=Large size Hub

So, the Dodge rims will fit the Dodge, Ford and Chev.
The Ford rims fit the Ford and Chev.
The Chev rims only fit the Chev.
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MANY THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU, BILL / NUMBERDUMMY & MODELEH!

I will cut & paste your shared information into my, "'65, F250 Running Journal of Information" that I'm building!
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1) Can you tell me: what model years did FORD first start & end using the 16.5" diameter, 8-lug wheels?
Split rims: 1930's. The wheel for 1961/66 F250's was first used in 1957 (B7TZ-1007-A), the split ring: 1948 (8J-1099).
Bill,

Your above response pertains to only split rims and those were 15" and 16" diameter, correct?

What can you tell me about the start/end date for the 16.5" diameter, 8-lug wheels on a F250?

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Bill, Your above response pertains to only split rims and those were 15" and 16" diameter, correct? 16" only.

What can you tell me about the start/end date for the 16.5" diameter, 8-lug wheels on a F250? BarnieTrk
I thought I did, mebbe what I typed above in post # wasn't clear.

B7TZ-1007-A .. Wheel-Split Rim / Replaced: 8J-1007 / Stamped with ID Number: 60880 / 16 x 5.5" / .50" Offset / Use w/Single Rear Wheels / Fits: 1948/52 F2 / 1953/69 F250.

8J-1099 .. Split Ring / Fits: 1948/52 F2 / 1953/69 F250.
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There are two additional 16 x 5.5" split ring wheels used from 1970 thru 1978.

And several others that were used with dual rear wheels only.
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I thought I did, mebbe what I typed above in post # wasn't clear.

B7TZ-1007-A .. Wheel-Split Rim / Replaced: 8J-1007 / Stamped with ID Number: 60880 / 16 x 5.5" / .50" Offset / Use w/Single Rear Wheels / Fits: 1948/52 F2 / 1953/69 F250.

8J-1099 .. Split Ring / Fits: 1948/52 F2 / 1953/69 F250.
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There are two additional 16 x 5.5" split ring wheels used from 1970 thru 1978.

And several others that were used with dual rear wheels only.
Bill,
I can be pretty dense sometimes, but, my above question is specifically looking for the start/end date of the use of 'sixteen and one-half' (16 1/2") diameter, (which I believe were all non-split rim style) 8-lug wheels for SRW F-250s.


Sorry to be such a pest, but I'm confident that you've got that info as well.
Thanks again!................ BarnieTrk
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In looking thru the parts catalog...I have learned that wheels are a confusing thing to look up and theres a few key things to know to positively ID a wheel to replace.

With that aside, 16.5" wheels were ONLY used 1967-70 for single rear wheel applications(SRW) , dual wheels were used 1967-69(DRW) ..the SRW wheel p/n is C7TZ1015A and the DRW is a C7TZ1015B which was replaced by a D0TZ1015A

These wheels are the ONLY 16.5" wheels used for tube type tire applications.


In knowing this, it bears out that theres no way 1965 and 66 trucks can have 16.5" wheels originally...which means what I stated prior in this thread about my truck having 16.5" wheels was not correct.





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Bill,
I can be pretty dense sometimes, but, my above question is specifically looking for the start/end date of the use of 'sixteen and one-half' (16 1/2") diameter, (which I believe were all non-split rim style) 8-lug wheels for SRW F-250s.

Sorry to be such a pest, but I'm confident that you've got that info as well.
Thanks again!................ BarnieTrk
There is no such wheel measurement in the parts catalog that says 16 1/2"

Parts catalog lists the following 8 lug 16" wheels:

16 x 5" / 16 x 5.5" / 16 x 6" / 16.5 x 6 / 16.5 x 6.75"
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There is no such wheel measurement in the parts catalog that says 16 1/2"

Parts catalog lists the following 8 lug 16" wheels:

16 x 5" / 16 x 5.5" / 16 x 6" / 16.5 x 6 / 16.5 x 6.75"
16.5 = 16 1/2"
So it looks like they DID have some; one was 6" wide and another was 6.75" (6 3/4") wide.
Any start/end dates on those? How about their part numbers?

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16.5 x 6 = D1TZ-1015-A / Replaced C7TZ-1015-A / Tubeless Tire / Fits 1967/79 F250/350.
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