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Old 12-31-2008, 01:04 PM
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I'd like to find out how to get some cheap HP out of one of these.
6000$ is a little much for an injection pump on my budget.

Could a guy buy the HEUI 466 an use hybrid injectors for some cheap gains?

How is the stock turbo for surging, fairly stable? Isnt the intercooler bad for causing surge?

How driveable will one of these things be?
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I believe the DT466 HEUI injectors are interchangeable, or at least you can swap parts over to each.

I think it would still be cheaper to do up a mechanical injection DT466 though
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I believe the DT466 HEUI injectors are interchangeable, or at least you can swap parts over to each.

I think it would still be cheaper to do up a mechanical injection DT466 though

6000$ for an injection pump would make DIY'ing some HEUI injectors look easy.


I have a feeling the computerized HEUI version may lead to a more streetable motor.


Big HP is only as much fun as the truck will be, so if it smokes and runs like crap, I'd sooner have less HP and a tidy running machine.

The computerized version can also run the adjustable programming setup, so that you can downgrade the performance to stock, which may be necessary with heavy modded injectors just to keep things semi normal.
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6000$ for an injection pump would make DIY'ing some HEUI injectors look easy.


I have a feeling the computerized HEUI version may lead to a more streetable motor.


Big HP is only as much fun as the truck will be, so if it smokes and runs like crap, I'd sooner have less HP and a tidy running machine.

The computerized version can also run the adjustable programming setup, so that you can downgrade the performance to stock, which may be necessary with heavy modded injectors just to keep things semi normal.
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You can adjust a mechanical pump so it doesn't hit so hard when the turbo spools. Not that you can do much if you're crankin that much power. It's such a hard thing to predict, how it'll drive/ smoke. Keep in mind, the 466E injectors are split shot from around 97. That limits the number of shops a little. DIY can do em though, but he (Jim) doesn't know how big ones will make the 466E react. Like I said before, the IH computer is very unforgiving, and would be the main obsticle in making high hp. Trust me, if I had a 466E available, I'd be doing plenty of testing!
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6000$ for an injection pump would make DIY'ing some HEUI injectors look easy.


I have a feeling the computerized HEUI version may lead to a more streetable motor.


Big HP is only as much fun as the truck will be, so if it smokes and runs like crap, I'd sooner have less HP and a tidy running machine.

The computerized version can also run the adjustable programming setup, so that you can downgrade the performance to stock, which may be necessary with heavy modded injectors just to keep things semi normal.
Then get an engine that already has the P7100 like the Cummins? Some Cummins p7100 parts actually interchange with that.

HEUI in a DT466 is a lot more complicated the you make it out to be. You could probably expect to pay around $3000 or more for a high flow set of injectors that could match a built up mechanical pump and a cheap set of high flow poppet injector. Then you have to deal with fuel distribution and pressure. You would for sure have to upgrade the oil pump, maybe even a big oil style dual pump system. Then you have the biggest issue of programming. Injectors are no use if the computer can't do anything with it. You would pay a TON to get a special programmer for a DT466E computer.
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Then get an engine that already has the P7100 like the Cummins? Some Cummins p7100 parts actually interchange with that.

HEUI in a DT466 is a lot more complicated the you make it out to be. You could probably expect to pay around $3000 or more for a high flow set of injectors that could match a built up mechanical pump and a cheap set of high flow poppet injector. Then you have to deal with fuel distribution and pressure. You would for sure have to upgrade the oil pump, maybe even a big oil style dual pump system. Then you have the biggest issue of programming. Injectors are no use if the computer can't do anything with it. You would pay a TON to get a special programmer for a DT466E computer.

well how do think the 7.3 got to where it is today? honesty i think if ur good with computers and or can get someone like TS,DP turner, or TW to make a chip (i know TS has a plug-n-play) id think you could see the switchable chips like a 7.3, Basiclly think like a 7.3 as far as performance. as far as the computer part id think would alot like a 7.3 computer but i havent a clue.
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International and Ford use different computers. Tuners for a 7.3 Power Stroke won't do anything at all on a 7.3 in a school bus
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also i dont think that tuning isnt the only hurdle i think it is the injection system the cummins style injection is extremely simple unlike how complex the powerstroke is.
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