Urea will be the big thing to do me thinks. Easier and cheaper than EGR (from a warranty repair cost anyway) and the only argument against it is a moot point: "Oh no I don't want to have to remember refill some tank!!" like BMW, the dealer will refill with every service done.
Urea will be the big thing to do me thinks. Easier and cheaper than EGR (from a warranty repair cost anyway) and the only argument against it is a moot point: "Oh no I don't want to have to remember refill some tank!!" like BMW, the dealer will refill with every service done.
You are still going to have EGR and it would have to be a pretty good sized urea tank to last a Ford Super Duty from one service to the next.
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2004 E-450 6.0 139,000 miles
7,500 mile, 15 quart oil changes, 5W-40 Rotella.
UOAs consist of checking for metal on drain plug magnet. All stock, no mods. Dyed fuel with no additives. Never been reflashed.
Total parts replaced;
one EGR valve.
You are still going to have EGR and it would have to be a pretty good sized urea tank to last a Ford Super Duty from one service to the next.
Very true, theres alot of space inder the cab/bed to shoehorn a tank in but it will be in Fords hands as to where it goes and getting it plumed. If they do use that system, getting an owner back for service is as easy as an idiot light on the dash.
Very true, theres alot of space inder the cab/bed to shoehorn a tank in but it will be in Fords hands as to where it goes and getting it plumed. If they do use that system, getting an owner back for service is as easy as an idiot light on the dash.
Well, I would bet there is a larger percentage of BMW owners who willingly take their cars back to the dealer for servicing than there would be Ford Super Duty owners.
I also can't imagine many Super Duty operators who would gladly interupt a job/vacation to schedule a dealer service because their low urea idiot light came on. And a cars fuel/urea consumption rate is likely more predictable as fully loaded/trailer towing is not in the equation.
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2004 E-450 6.0 139,000 miles
7,500 mile, 15 quart oil changes, 5W-40 Rotella.
UOAs consist of checking for metal on drain plug magnet. All stock, no mods. Dyed fuel with no additives. Never been reflashed.
Total parts replaced;
one EGR valve.
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Brush Guard w/4 moose lites
Mobil-1 Turbo diesel truck oil
fuel filters every 10,000 miles
AstroStart auto start
98 gal Transfer flow tank
Rhino liner on the rockers
Wabasto-Blue heat
MBRP turbo back duels w/ no CAT
I was under the impression that UREA reduces NOx emissions which is the same function as the EGR. I hope there isn't both in the new engine. UREA should replace the EGR.
But as for the DPF, I believe we're stuck with them.
They should just run some coolant lines through the tank, keep it warm
They are going to run some form of onboard heating for the urea tanks, but im not sure exactly what form. I know the EPA is allowing a period of non-compliance to allow the urea to thaw out...
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Originally Posted by pstrang
I was under the impression that UREA reduces NOx emissions which is the same function as the EGR. I hope there isn't both in the new engine. UREA should replace the EGR.
But as for the DPF, I believe we're stuck with them.
It will be a combination of both EGR and SCR (urea) that will be used to meet emissions...
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'04 F-250 Harley-Davidson 6.0L CC SB
Well, not to stir the SCR pot, but here's a story that provides a little more in depth look at the Urea strategy. Granted it's not a Ford, but the technology isn't necessarily going to be specific to one manufacturer either.
Both! Lose the EGR and go with SCR (urea). We don't want both.
We don't have a choice.
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2004 E-450 6.0 139,000 miles
7,500 mile, 15 quart oil changes, 5W-40 Rotella.
UOAs consist of checking for metal on drain plug magnet. All stock, no mods. Dyed fuel with no additives. Never been reflashed.
Total parts replaced;
one EGR valve.
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06 F-350, North Pole, Alaska
Lose the EGR and go with SCR (urea). We don't want both.
