HHO Results ONLY... good or bad- this is not a thread for debate!

[aurgathor]

Originally Posted by doug02 so i made one with a gallon jar ond installed it in van #11. before hho 4975 miles------442 gallon =11.2mpg after hho test run 67.6 miles ------4.7 gallon =14.3mpg first trip 387.2 miles------11.9 gallon = 11.9mpg can clear memory on pcm and get 20% increase on fuel millage, !st trip but pcm will just relearn and it's back to normal mpg. How did you measure or calculate mpg?

[48fordcoe]

Did you know our Gov. distribute booklet on how to make Hydrogen to heat your home and to run farm tractor during WW2 because of fuel rationing , with wood burn stove. The wood stove was put in front of the tractor..

[HTRf150]

For those who are looking at adding an HHO gen to a carb engine..... From what I understand, you need to change out the jets. Kind of like summer and winter jets, for those of us who are real old timey gear heads.

Most carbs (after market) can have jets changed out, but I don't know if you can get jets small enough for this? If the intent is to lean out the fuel, to a point where the HHO gen will pick up the slack, that might mean that with out HHO it wouldn't run? Would they make such a jet?

[18vtx00]

Originally Posted by doug02

We run cargo vans about 50,000 miles per year each, so we are interested in any fuel saving device that comes out. Rather than making one i decided to try a kit. First kit consisted of quart jar, plastic tower with stainless wire wraped around it cost $100.00 we installed on van #19.
pulled miles and fuel Before hho 5337 miles------452 gallon gas= 11.8 mpg.
after installing hho 3362 miles-----304 gallon gas= 11.0 mpg
At this point the plastic towers that hold the wire had broke and unit quit working.
We decided to try another unit that was larger, so i ordered one from performance alley, 3 cell unit cost of kit $776.97, we installed on van #11.
This kit was to large to fit in engine compartment, so i made a case for it and installed it on back side of devider. There was no instructions with this kit and the tec support number just goes to recording, it does no good to leave message as they don't return calls. First time engine was started it broke 2 of the cells and run 2 gallon of water on van floor. Tried to call performance alley every day for a week but no answer and thay would not call back. They finaly answered email and said manufurer said it sounded like it had been hooked to vacuum, and their kits can't use vacuum.
At this point i decided the kits were scams, but i wanted to see if a larger hho system would work, so i made one with a gallon jar ond installed it in van #11. before hho 4975 miles------442 gallon =11.2mpg
after hho test run 67.6 miles ------4.7 gallon =14.3mpg
first trip 387.2 miles------11.9 gallon = 11.9mpg
can clear memory on pcm and get 20% increase on fuel millage, !st trip but pcm will just relearn and it's back to normal mpg.

I installed a o2 extender but this is a heated o2 so i don't think moving it out would do any good. i'm going to try to get between the o2 and pcm with a enhancer. From my experence the kits are a scam, but there may be something to the hho theroy if pcm can be tricked without damaging engine, but i would not be suprised if we have valve or piston problems if we get pcm tricked. Sorry for the long winded report.

I hope you used paypal or a CC to pay so you can report them and get your money back..not hooked to vaacuum? how lese is is supposed to get into the engine? majic?

[HTRf150]

You could cut the KAM line and conect it into the KO (key on) power instead of KOAC (key on and Crank) power. That would cause it to be turned off on start. Just a thought.

[18vtx00]

Originally Posted by HTRf150

You could cut the KAM line and conect it into the KO (key on) power instead of KOAC (key on and Crank) power. That would cause it to be turned off on start. Just a thought.

yes it would, but if you do this on a car w/ OBDII and your state requires emissions to be tested your car will fail do to never cleared monitors/P1000

[HTRf150]

how about setting it up with a switch. The switch could be left on a week prior to your test, otherwise you could leave it off.

The on position would maintain the KAM via a hot wire. The off position would allow the KO adaption to reset the KAM.

Would that work?

[18vtx00]

Originally Posted by HTRf150

how about setting it up with a switch. The switch could be left on a week prior to your test, otherwise you could leave it off.

The on position would maintain the KAM via a hot wire. The off position would allow the KO adaption to reset the KAM.

Would that work?

sure, but you really want the KAM set properly for shift points,emissions and economy once the FT is set correctly.

[HTRf150]

won't the HHO gen take care of the economy?

[18vtx00]

Originally Posted by HTRf150

won't the HHO gen take care of the economy?

that seems to be the question here doesn't it??maybe, but we do not know how perfect or constant it will be, it is an unknown

[natedog37]

I am just wondering if you could bench test an engine with a system that contains HHO already stored in it (think Nitrous). I think that this would help answer some questions about if the HHO is making a difference. After that, bench test the HHO making system to see how much if any HHO it puts out. I would be curious to see if there is any data on this. I'm not very techy so don't look to me to do this =) Either way it's free thinking like this that is going to save us from our own stupidity, So keep it up! Cheers!

[fordescape1]

Just received my Protium 3T system. I am waiting for the power conditioner which is supposed to reduce the system load from 30 amps to 15. I have fuel mileage data recorded from the start of 08 that shows my 3.0L escape (auto trans) is averaging 20.1 mpg since January. I have a scan guage 2 which reads a little highter at 21.4 mpg since July of 08.

I will be working on the packaging of the system while I await the missing component. I plan to photo-document the installation and will post back my actual mileage as I go.

[18vtx00]

Originally Posted by fordescape1

Just received my Protium 3T system. I am waiting for the power conditioner which is supposed to reduce the system load from 30 amps to 15. I have fuel mileage data recorded from the start of 08 that shows my 3.0L escape (auto trans) is averaging 20.1 mpg since January. I have a scan guage 2 which reads a little highter at 21.4 mpg since July of 08.

I will be working on the packaging of the system while I await the missing component. I plan to photo-document the installation and will post back my actual mileage as I go.

sweet,thanks

[natedog37]

Originally Posted by natedog37

I am just wondering if you could bench test an engine with a system that contains HHO already stored in it (think Nitrous). I think that this would help answer some questions about if the HHO is making a difference. After that, bench test the HHO making system to see how much if any HHO it puts out. I would be curious to see if there is any data on this. I'm not very techy so don't look to me to do this =) Either way it's free thinking like this that is going to save us from our own stupidity, So keep it up! Cheers!

Since it was brought to my attention that this is a results thread and not a debate thread, Does anybody have any test Results from a bench test or a Dyno test? I feel that tried and true testing will help answer a lot of questions. And sorry for the Semi-Hijack.

[48fordcoe]

smack has a range truck that went from 24 mile to 88 mile . He call it a 6 pack ,6cell run off 2 batt not hook up to the truck smack makes and he will show the plans on how to make your own
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/YFz6SAq.../Chapter10.pdf