Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Misc. > Alternative Fuels, Hybrids & Mileage
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


Welcome to Ford-Trucks Forums!
Welcome to Ford-Trucks.com.

You are currently viewing our forums as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Ford-Trucks Forums community today!





 
Reply
 
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 08-02-2008, 09:17 PM
18vtx00's Avatar
18vtx00 18vtx00 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Templeton, Massachussetts
Posts: 1,342
18vtx00 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Question HHO experience w/ a 6.0L F350 or a 5.0L explorer

I posted this in my diesel section w/ no reply's before finding this forum.
.
I have been experimenting w/ making my own HHO generators this week and would like to know if there is any knowledge out there about using these on my 6.0L..
Any faults or things you may do differently to save me time,money and aggravation is greatly appreciated. thanks
__________________
FORD MASTER DIESEL TECH
ASE MASTER, L1
HEAVY TRUCK-DIESEL, ELECTRONICS
'03 F350, CC, 8', 6.0L, LARIAT-SPARTAN SCT, 5" SILVERLINE COOL DUALS
'96 EXPLORER, 4DR, 5.0L, XLT
'05 SKI-DOO REV ADRENELINE
'86 FORD 555 LOADER/BACKHOE
'03 VTX1800C
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-05-2008, 04:07 PM
projectSHO89 projectSHO89 is online now
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St Louis
Posts: 9,029
projectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud of
Yeah, don't waste your time.

It cannot work. Why? The Laws of Thermodynamics haven't' been repealed yet...

Same junk was around in the 70's.

The only way it can "work" (note the emphasis) is to screw with either your MAF or your upstream O2 sensors to force the mixture far leaner than the engine was designed for.

Your stated experience as a mechanic should be able to provide the answer to the following question:

"What happens to an ICE (whether gas or diesel) from running lean for too long?"
__________________
2001 F250 SD V10 4x4
HVAC FAQs: http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/75...xpedition.html
Owner's manuals: www.motorcraftservice.com
“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” - Mark Twain
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-05-2008, 04:51 PM
18vtx00's Avatar
18vtx00 18vtx00 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Templeton, Massachussetts
Posts: 1,342
18vtx00 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by projectSHO89 View Post
Yeah, don't waste your time.

It cannot work. Why? The Laws of Thermodynamics haven't' been repealed yet...

Same junk was around in the 70's.

The only way it can "work" (note the emphasis) is to screw with either your MAF or your upstream O2 sensors to force the mixture far leaner than the engine was designed for.

Your stated experience as a mechanic should be able to provide the answer to the following question:

"What happens to an ICE (whether gas or diesel) from running lean for too long?"
Really, seems like a lot of guys are getting good results after may attempts.I understand the fooling of the PCM is essential and is not that hard to do, I just wanted some input.. thanks
__________________
FORD MASTER DIESEL TECH
ASE MASTER, L1
HEAVY TRUCK-DIESEL, ELECTRONICS
'03 F350, CC, 8', 6.0L, LARIAT-SPARTAN SCT, 5" SILVERLINE COOL DUALS
'96 EXPLORER, 4DR, 5.0L, XLT
'05 SKI-DOO REV ADRENELINE
'86 FORD 555 LOADER/BACKHOE
'03 VTX1800C
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-05-2008, 05:57 PM
projectSHO89 projectSHO89 is online now
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St Louis
Posts: 9,029
projectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud of
I see you studiously avoided answering the question posed that would have exposed the flaw in your plan or in the reported "success" of others

We're still waiting....
__________________
2001 F250 SD V10 4x4
HVAC FAQs: http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/75...xpedition.html
Owner's manuals: www.motorcraftservice.com
“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” - Mark Twain
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-05-2008, 08:08 PM
18vtx00's Avatar
18vtx00 18vtx00 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Templeton, Massachussetts
Posts: 1,342
18vtx00 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by projectSHO89 View Post
I see you studiously avoided answering the question posed that would have exposed the flaw in your plan or in the reported "success" of others

We're still waiting....
I am just looking for info and experience, that's all. Not sure I avoided anything.
__________________
FORD MASTER DIESEL TECH
ASE MASTER, L1
HEAVY TRUCK-DIESEL, ELECTRONICS
'03 F350, CC, 8', 6.0L, LARIAT-SPARTAN SCT, 5" SILVERLINE COOL DUALS
'96 EXPLORER, 4DR, 5.0L, XLT
'05 SKI-DOO REV ADRENELINE
'86 FORD 555 LOADER/BACKHOE
'03 VTX1800C
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-05-2008, 10:43 PM
projectSHO89 projectSHO89 is online now
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St Louis
Posts: 9,029
projectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud of
Quote:
Originally Posted by 18vtx00 View Post
I am just looking for info and experience, that's all. Not sure I avoided anything.
The question is really simple and is above.

Still no answer? Hmmmm......
__________________
2001 F250 SD V10 4x4
HVAC FAQs: http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/75...xpedition.html
Owner's manuals: www.motorcraftservice.com
“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” - Mark Twain
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-05-2008, 11:11 PM
18vtx00's Avatar
18vtx00 18vtx00 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Templeton, Massachussetts
Posts: 1,342
18vtx00 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by projectSHO89 View Post
The question is really simple and is above.

Still no answer? Hmmmm......
It appears not too many FTE guys have tried anything on their own. Kinda surprised since most diesel guys try anything to get .5MPG or MPH.
I answer a lot of questions in my diesel forums and help guys out all the time, first time over hear and trying something new. Making HHO is a new experience.
__________________
FORD MASTER DIESEL TECH
ASE MASTER, L1
HEAVY TRUCK-DIESEL, ELECTRONICS
'03 F350, CC, 8', 6.0L, LARIAT-SPARTAN SCT, 5" SILVERLINE COOL DUALS
'96 EXPLORER, 4DR, 5.0L, XLT
'05 SKI-DOO REV ADRENELINE
'86 FORD 555 LOADER/BACKHOE
'03 VTX1800C
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-06-2008, 08:51 AM
projectSHO89 projectSHO89 is online now
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: St Louis
Posts: 9,029
projectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud ofprojectSHO89 has much to be proud of
You still haven't answered the question:

"What happens to an ICE (whether gas or diesel) from running lean for too long?"
__________________
2001 F250 SD V10 4x4
HVAC FAQs: http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/75...xpedition.html
Owner's manuals: www.motorcraftservice.com
“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” - Mark Twain
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-06-2008, 10:30 AM
jimandmandy jimandmandy is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Running Springs CA
Posts: 5,228
jimandmandy has a great reputation on FTE.jimandmandy has a great reputation on FTE.jimandmandy has a great reputation on FTE.jimandmandy has a great reputation on FTE.jimandmandy has a great reputation on FTE.
While this whole HHO, Brown's gas, water4gas, or whatever you want to call it is a scam and cant work, diesel engines run very lean most of the time, one of the many reasons they are more efficient. So, what is the problem with running lean for too long?

Unlike a spark ignition engine with a throttle, diesels always take in a full air charge with each intake stroke and vary the power output by regulating fuel flow. The latest direct injection gasoline engines, on some VW/Audi and Lexus, and was used on some large aircraft engines in the 1950's also allows for super lean mixtures. "Leaner is hotter" is a myth borne of 1960's attempts at crude emission controls with fixed jet carburators, going from way rich to slightly rich, which is hottest. Airlines and the military found that leaner is cooler, and cleaner, decades ago.

Jim
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-06-2008, 01:17 PM
18vtx00's Avatar
18vtx00 18vtx00 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Templeton, Massachussetts
Posts: 1,342
18vtx00 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimandmandy View Post
While this whole HHO, Brown's gas, water4gas, or whatever you want to call it is a scam and cant work, diesel engines run very lean most of the time, one of the many reasons they are more efficient. So, what is the problem with running lean for too long?

Unlike a spark ignition engine with a throttle, diesels always take in a full air charge with each intake stroke and vary the power output by regulating fuel flow. The latest direct injection gasoline engines, on some VW/Audi and Lexus, and was used on some large aircraft engines in the 1950's also allows for super lean mixtures. "Leaner is hotter" is a myth borne of 1960's attempts at crude emission controls with fixed jet carburators, going from way rich to slightly rich, which is hottest. Airlines and the military found that leaner is cooler, and cleaner, decades ago.

Jim
I asked several kit makers this same question, will it run away since you have almost no vacuum in a modern diesel due to the lack of a throttle plate, and they insist it will work. Also how would you possibly cut down on fuel? They insist it works just by installing HHO in the air intake tube.
For these reasons I am not working this into my diesel, just seeking info from others.,I will make a kit for my 5.0L explorer as a test vehicle.. thanks for the info.
__________________
FORD MASTER DIESEL TECH
ASE MASTER, L1
HEAVY TRUCK-DIESEL, ELECTRONICS
'03 F350, CC, 8', 6.0L, LARIAT-SPARTAN SCT, 5" SILVERLINE COOL DUALS
'96 EXPLORER, 4DR, 5.0L, XLT
'05 SKI-DOO REV ADRENELINE
'86 FORD 555 LOADER/BACKHOE
'03 VTX1800C
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-06-2008, 11:21 PM
Hathor's Avatar
Hathor Hathor is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 29
Hathor is starting off with a positive reputation.
Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by 18vtx00 View Post
I posted this in my diesel section w/ no reply's before finding this forum.
.
I have been experimenting w/ making my own HHO generators this week and would like to know if there is any knowledge out there about using these on my 6.0L..
Any faults or things you may do differently to save me time,money and aggravation is greatly appreciated. thanks
Yes there is a company that makes a HHO generator for trucks 6.0 and 8.0.

I really dont want to give this company business by giving you a link.

this system contains water filters of which gives pure hydrogen gas.

The other hho generators make gas but it has a lot of moisture in it
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-06-2008, 11:23 PM
Hathor's Avatar
Hathor Hathor is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 29
Hathor is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by projectSHO89 View Post
I see you studiously avoided answering the question posed that would have exposed the flaw in your plan or in the reported "success" of others

We're still waiting....
OK FINE EVERBODY GO HERE AND AVOID THE QUESTION

MagDrive Fuel From H2O - HHO Generators
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-07-2008, 07:34 AM
18vtx00's Avatar
18vtx00 18vtx00 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Templeton, Massachussetts
Posts: 1,342
18vtx00 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hathor View Post
OK FINE EVERBODY GO HERE AND AVOID THE QUESTION

MagDrive Fuel From H2O - HHO Generators
Thanks for the info, why would you not want to send a link? Have you tried any of these?
__________________
FORD MASTER DIESEL TECH
ASE MASTER, L1
HEAVY TRUCK-DIESEL, ELECTRONICS
'03 F350, CC, 8', 6.0L, LARIAT-SPARTAN SCT, 5" SILVERLINE COOL DUALS
'96 EXPLORER, 4DR, 5.0L, XLT
'05 SKI-DOO REV ADRENELINE
'86 FORD 555 LOADER/BACKHOE
'03 VTX1800C
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-05-2008, 05:34 PM
zpexploder zpexploder is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 7
zpexploder is starting off with a positive reputation.
Talking HHO & My 5.0 Explorer!

I use HHO and a MAF sensor enhancer on my '96 5.0 Explorer. Works great, could not be happier. Hooking up a MAP/MAF sensor enhancer is too easy and works even better. My increase is from 18 mpg to 24 mpg. No joke!

Not huge but pretty good for AWD V8. I actually build MAP/MAF sensor enhancers now. Check em out if you need one. ************.com

Click the image to open in full size.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-05-2008, 06:52 PM
18vtx00's Avatar
18vtx00 18vtx00 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Templeton, Massachussetts
Posts: 1,342
18vtx00 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zpexploder View Post
I use HHO and a MAF sensor enhancer on my '96 5.0 Explorer. Works great, could not be happier. Hooking up a MAP/MAF sensor enhancer is too easy and works even better. My increase is from 18 mpg to 24 mpg. No joke!

Not huge but pretty good for AWD V8. I actually build MAP/MAF sensor enhancers now. Check em out if you need one. ************.com

Click the image to open in full size.
I would be happy w/ the 18MPG you claim as stock!! Got any pics of how you attached you kit? Thanks
__________________
FORD MASTER DIESEL TECH
ASE MASTER, L1
HEAVY TRUCK-DIESEL, ELECTRONICS
'03 F350, CC, 8', 6.0L, LARIAT-SPARTAN SCT, 5" SILVERLINE COOL DUALS
'96 EXPLORER, 4DR, 5.0L, XLT
'05 SKI-DOO REV ADRENELINE
'86 FORD 555 LOADER/BACKHOE
'03 VTX1800C
Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2008, 06:52 PM
 
 
 
Reply

Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Misc. > Alternative Fuels, Hybrids & Mileage

Tags
1997, 50, 97, browns, enhancer, explore, explorer, f150, ford, gas, hho, hotter, installation, lean, maf, map, myth, o2, sensor

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:54 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 AC1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Statement - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. Fordฎ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.

vbulletin Admin Backup