There are a few on this forum who NEVER miss the opportunity to bash Ford and then expound endlessly about the superiority of Toyota products.
I notice they have not chimed in on this thread....,,,,,
There seems to be a lot of press coverage about Ford recalling F-150s because of a bad piece of hose, but have not seen anything about Toyota's frames rusting apart. Both are safety issues and should be publicized as such.
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3. This is a serious problem, no doubt, but I've never heard of Ford stepping up, offering offering 1.5x blue-book and a loaner car.
What's the point of the comparison with Ford?
Ford hasn't had frame rust-through problems before, have they?
Toyota offering so much money is just blatantly saing "let's not let the Americans get an even worse idea of how rusty our vehicles are".
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Are you sure? It's the "Dealer" that get's paid actual cost... not the retail purchaser.
The dealer? The dealer's only involvement with this "issue" (in my case) is they inspect, give the customer a 30 day loaner, and submit the registration paperwork to Toyota/ISG...
If I bought a Tacoma after March 7th from a private seller, or a dealer, Toyota would only pay me back 100% of what I paid... Anything prior to March 7th would be 1.5x KBB Excellent Value, regardless of its condition...
Last Saturday, I walked in, met the ISG rep, signed the title over, a couple of other docs, and he gave me my check, plus a certificate for either 1000 off a new truck, or 500 off a car... I walked out of the dealer, and not one salesperson bothered approaching me in regards to the replacement of my Tacoma...
As far as Brand Bashing, I won't play that game... I can only hope my new-to-me F350 will give me the same 9 years of great service my Tacoma did... Not once did I find myself stranded because of a mechanical failure (and I beat the hell out of that thing), and the only repair I ever had to do was on a axle seal from playing in muddy water too much...
I Bet Toyota is sorry it bought AMERICAN Frames from dana, The joke is on us guys.
But these frames were to Toyota's specs, right? I'm sure that Toyota didn't just buy an off-the-shelf frame from Dana and change all their specs to fit the frame.
I've read a few Toyota forums and it's amazing how they are praising how Toyota is such a fantastic truck BECAUSE of the frame rusting out. If a Chevy, Dodge or Ford had this identical problem, I wonder how they would be playing this up......
I cant believe that no one crawled under that truck above when doing something like an oil change, and took one look t that frame and thought "holly @#$% i better buy a gallon of chassis saver and paint over that BEFORE MY TRUCK CRACKS IN HALF"
And it probable hasn't gotten the press coverage like ford did when they had to recall the F150's for the cruse control wire because it isn't as captivating to people if the frame cracks in half but when something starts on fire it is ore intriguing to people,
or its just the liberal meaids buest toward Toyota lol
And it probable hasn't gotten the press coverage like ford did when they had to recall the F150's for the cruse control wire because it isn't as captivating to people if the frame cracks in half but when something starts on fire it is ore intriguing to people,
or its just the liberal meaids buest toward Toyota lol
This isn't making the news because........it's not new.
Salt is heavily used where I live and you can go into any parking lot around and see the foreign pickups (and cars) over 10 years old just rusting away. Yes, the domestic have their problems too, but when you have a vehicle that starts out with very little frame material to begin with you are going to have problems down the road.
Before any accuses me of bias, I've owned an early 80s Datsun pickup and a '99 Suzuki Swift. I know how fast they can rust away even if you do try to keep the salt washed off.
It sucks. This is a pretty big black eye for Toyota because it's a long term quality problem, not some initial screw up like the 5.7 cam issue.
It probably isn't getting the press coverage, because it's not a disaster like Ford's problems.
For example, a rusty frame doesn't burn your house down if it's in the garage or near it. They haven't had the problems with frames cracking like Ford had with Explorers rolling over, or Crown Victorias catching on fire after crashing.
At least with Fords it seems like the frames only get surface rust but are still structually sound. It's the bodies that rot away.
[quote=Kruse;6164247]But these frames were to Toyota's specs, right? I'm sure that Toyota didn't just buy an off-the-shelf frame from Dana and change all their specs to fit the frame.
I am sure there is plenty of blame to go around , But from the info I read : It was a screw up at Dana and Toyota is just maning up.
If the Toyota spec was bad this would not be a new problem, Toyota is made and sold in many country's and was sold in the us for many years with NO such problems. The FIRST year (1995) production came to the USA and Started using Dana frames. PROBLEMS
Those are the objective facts.
Also note Ford has many rusted off issues of its own : I had a oil pan&rad arm brackets rust right off a F350 and was told to take a hike by the dealer (still under warranty).
Check with any rust belt city and you will find the only thing not rusted clear thru is the frame.
It probably isn't getting the press coverage, because it's not a disaster like Ford's problems.
For example, a rusty frame doesn't burn your house down if it's in the garage or near it. They haven't had the problems with frames cracking like Ford had with Explorers rolling over, or Crown Victorias catching on fire after crashing.
So going down the road and hitting a big bumb and your truck folding in half like a taco (heh) is not a big disaster to you? How about in an accident when it turns into an accordian with you inside? Is it a disaster then? I bet if they put your car on a lift for an oilchange and the bed snapped off, would it be a disaster then?
On another note living in chicago I feel a little better about paying for that rustproofing package they talked me into now!
So going down the road and hitting a big bumb and your truck folding in half like a taco (heh) is not a big disaster to you? How about in an accident when it turns into an accordian with you inside? Is it a disaster then? I bet if they put your car on a lift for an oilchange and the bed snapped off, would it be a disaster then?
On another note living in chicago I feel a little better about paying for that rustproofing package they talked me into now!
I knew that would be the reply. Has this happened yet?
I am going off what my buddy that works for LKQ the biggest junkyard chain in the country. His notice directly from toyota said all cars "up to current date" are being bought back and they are to drain fluids and crush them. They can not touch any of the parts or sell them. Drain and crush, period.
Not sure about the imspections, and how they can leave any of these trucks on the road as theyw ill just rust later and be a lawsuit waiting to happen when these things fold up in an acciddnet. Will they inspect these trucks once a year for the rest of their lives?
Id say your friend either hates Toyota, is completely full of B.S., or a hybrid of the two.
The family of one of my life long friends owns a Toyota dealership. There is NO massive hush-hush buy back of EVERY Tacoma sold from '95 to date. It is true that SOME truck frames were not properly treated and do have rust issues. If your truck is affected in such a manner, Toyota corp. will buy it and have it dealt with.
What's the point? The point is perception of quality is just as big an issue as actual quality. Ford has a history of not addressing issues, or worse, customers pay for them. Yeah, Toyota isn't shouting this problem from the roof-tops but fair is fair and we can hardly bash them for this when the brand we like has bad service failings such as shafting customers with head work due to broken plugs on 5.4L 3v V8 engines, ejected plugs in the prior generation modular V8s, 6.0L customer service night-mares.
Toyota has a very serious issue to address, but getting glea from it does nothing for a Ford customer. Its like laughing at a neighbor who has 2 feet of grass growing around his car on blocks while your own house has had a set of Christmas lights that hasn't come down for 5 years.
I'm a Ford man 100%. I have 4 of them in the driveway and have built my entire career for the past 12 years around their products. I'd much rather see Ford bragging about being #1 in customer satisfaction and better in quality than Toyota than these new commercials about how they are now as good as them! Hello Ford --- take the lead and let others catch up rather than bragging about finally catching up.
If Ford were to pony up the money to take care of customers with ejected plugs, broken plugs, blown 6.0 head gaskets, shuddering automatics, etc. then maybe they'd get less flack.
There's a really good book, "Good to Great" that talks about what makes companies become great companies. One very good example they gave was Tylanol. Back in the late 1980s someone tampered with the products and some people died as a result. It was not a quality issue, was not Tylanol's fault and had effected less than half a dozen bottles out of millions.
Tylanol could have shouted this from the roof-top, ruined their image and never recovered. Instead, they stepped up to the plate, recalled and destroyed every bottle, came up with some of the first tamper resistent packaging for over the counter drugs and spent enormous amounts of money letting the public know they would rather risk the company than risk the safety of the public. The result was that instead of mistrusting the Tylanol products due to tampering the public came to view Tylanol as a trust-worthy corporate citizen. In the long run the tampering helped Tylanol's image because of the way they handled it.
Now, contrast this to Ford's handling of the Firestone tire problem. They told people to check and change the tire pressure and continue to drive with these tires until they came up with a resolution, then they blamed Firestone, then Firestone blamed Ford, etc. The Explorer which was the world-wide SUV sales leader suffered a major blow to its image and never recovered, despite a complete redesign including the suspension. Imagine the outcome if Ford said they would fix the problem immediately and would swap the tires for free at not just dealerships, but would also reimburse 1.5 times the cost for approved tires purchased elsewhere to compensate people for their time. It would have cost more in the short term but saved the image of a market leader -- saving money in the mid-term.
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I bet if they put your car on a lift for an oilchange and the bed snapped off, would it be a disaster then? 
