"a Canadian post which seems to me to be identical to rules in the USA."
From reading the "Canadian post", I read it that in Canada dyed fuel means off road only, currently 500ppm fuel.
In the USA, dyed fuel means tax exempt use only.
North of North Dakota, directly south of Detroit, its all the same
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I'm doing my part to reduce food imports, control rising food costs and help feed the children, my trucks run on 100% petroleum diesel. What are you doing?
It's not to much the legality rather the use of in said truck. I am allowed to run the dyed fuel in cases and given the remoteness to the locations sometimes dyed is all I have. Allot of locations truck fuel in because the nearest service station is hundreds of km away.
Given I am not a diesel expert by any means just trying to figure it out. Thank you for those who posted on topic.
I believe the Ford manual says that an occasional tank of 500 ppm fuel is tolerable.
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Powerstroking Seven T444Es, one VT365 and one 6.0. Also four DT466s, one DT360 and a Mercedes MBE906.
I'm doing my part to reduce food imports, control rising food costs and help feed the children, my trucks run on 100% petroleum diesel. What are you doing?
Searching for where I have read that, may be in service manual or bulletin.
Only referance in Owner's Guide is on page 90 where they give you reduced oil change intervals when truck is operated where ULSD is not required or unavailable. Note the reason for reducing oil change intervals is becuase of fuel dilution in the oil from the increased number of fuel assisted, also known as active regenerations caused by the higher sulfer fuel fouling the DPF.
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Powerstroking Seven T444Es, one VT365 and one 6.0. Also four DT466s, one DT360 and a Mercedes MBE906.
I'm doing my part to reduce food imports, control rising food costs and help feed the children, my trucks run on 100% petroleum diesel. What are you doing?
I have a 2008 Super Duty manual, third printing (shown on back cover). I cannot find your reference, as page 90 is about lights. I also have Power Stroke suppplement, second printing, March 2007, and page 90 is a validation page.
HOWEVER: Page 32 of my supplement states very clear:
"Use only a 6.4L diesel engine that has been confirured for use with high sulfur diesel fuel in markets with diesel fuel that has sulfur content greater than 15 ppm. Using low sulfur diesel fue (16 - 500 ppm) or high sulfur diesel fuel (greater thn 500 ppm) in a 6.4L diesel engine designed to use on Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel fuel increases the lielihood of engine oil dilution with fuel which may lead to major engine damage. Engine damage from using the imporper type of fuel is not covered under your warranty"
The above is in BOLD PRINT.
The mention of reconfiguring the engine makes specific reference to out of the country engines, retrofited at customer's expense.
AS INFO
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Powerstroking Seven T444Es, one VT365 and one 6.0. Also four DT466s, one DT360 and a Mercedes MBE906.
I'm doing my part to reduce food imports, control rising food costs and help feed the children, my trucks run on 100% petroleum diesel. What are you doing?
WOW! I agree with your comments. Only thing to remember is that FORD puts so many disclaimers about what they publish. My book is Second Printing, March 2007. Your book above is obviously the first printing and someone caught the error. That is why the pages do not jive.
Your reference, exactly as you state, is NOT in my book. Obviously they deleted it, as it sure is disputed in all their literature.
Good memory. Good point. Don't kill your 6.4. Use ULSDF less than 15 PPM and avoid the problems.
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2001 Excursion Ltd. V-10 (the GOOD)
2003 Excursion Ltd. 6.0 (the BAD)
2005 F-350 6.0, KR, long bed, 4x4 (the UGLY)
2008 F-350, 6.4, KR, long bed, 4x4 (LEAN, MEAN & BEAUTIFUL)
Whats so hard about ONLY running ULSDF less than 15 PPM in the 6.4l. I run a V10 gasser and I even get it.
The original poster of this thread is operating his truck in northern regions of Canada and can't always get ULSD, he wanted to know what happens when he has to choose between walking and driving his truck.
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Powerstroking Seven T444Es, one VT365 and one 6.0. Also four DT466s, one DT360 and a Mercedes MBE906.
I'm doing my part to reduce food imports, control rising food costs and help feed the children, my trucks run on 100% petroleum diesel. What are you doing?
The original poster of this thread is operating his truck in northern regions of Canada and can't always get ULSD, he wanted to know what happens when he has to choose between walking and driving his truck.
Sounds like he needs a tranfer flow and a 100+ gal tank in the bed. Or buy a truck that will take any type of diesel. Its seems a lot of guys buy these new dpf trucks and don't know what is required to keep them running. Ford will probably save a lot of $$$ in warrenty work when the entire continent switches over completely to ULSD.
I just bought a 6.4, and I have about 1700 miles on it. I am getting about 13 mpg, is that good? I was also wondering if anyone has any imput about making mpg better or if I need to wait til I get more miles on it.
JHale, My '08 has 16k miles and I am getting between 12-13 around town, 16 highway and about 8-9 towing my 12k lb 5th wheel travel trailer. Not what I expected, but I love the truck. I just wish Diesel wasn't $4.25 a gallon (which is a whole new topic for a new thread).
The rule here in Utah is, it has to have all the emissions stuff in place to pass inspection. the red diesel is not legal on the highways here, and if caught running it, your vehicle will be impounded and you will be fined.
the red diesel will plug up the particulate filter prematurely and void the warranty. the filter costs 1400.00 USD. if you remove the filter, it pisses the computer off because the EGT readings will be off.
personally, i think they have made the vehicles too sensitive nowdays.
OH by the way. ford warranty is 100K miles, the filter is rated to last 120K miles. it will cost you the 1400.00 when it does finally go bad anyway.
WOW! I agree with your comments. Only thing to remember is that FORD puts so many disclaimers about what they publish. My book is Second Printing, March 2007. Your book above is obviously the first printing and someone caught the error. That is why the pages do not jive.
Your reference, exactly as you state, is NOT in my book. Obviously they deleted it, as it sure is disputed in all their literature.
Good memory. Good point. Don't kill your 6.4. Use ULSDF less than 15 PPM and avoid the problems.
Ford has also addressed this in a service bulletin
1994-2008 MULTIPLE VEHICLES - DIESEL ENGINES USING CJ-4 OIL AND LOW SULFUR DIESEL FUEL - NEEDS MORE FREQUENT OIL CHANGE INTERVAL
ON ALL MODEL YEAR DIESELS, OIL CHANGE INTERVALS NEED TO BE REDUCED BY HALF WHEN USING CJ-4 OIL AND LOW SULFUR DIESEL FUEL (500 PPM SULFUR MAXIMUM), OR ANY DIESEL FUEL CONTAINING GREATER THAN 15 PPM SULFUR. WHEN CJ-4 OIL AND FUELS CONTAINING GREATER THAN 15 PPM SULFUR ARE USED, THE OIL DEGRADES AT A FASTER RATE DUE TO INCREASED ACID LEVELS REQUIRING A SHORTENED OIL CHANGE INTERVAL.
EFFECTIVE DATE: 03/01/2007
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