Ok now I am PISSED

[SPELLY F150]

Has anyone had problems with their tranny on a 07 Sport Trac 4.6 6 speed? After mine sits over night, the tranny slips really bad taking off down the driveway in the morning. I have been to the dealer three times, and at first they said it was a program problem. Then the second time to the dealer, they said it was the valve body. Ok a repair, but it did not fix the problem. (I did not have any problems over the winter.) now that the weather has warmed up it happened again. I left the dealer my truck for over a week. They drover it over 100 miles, and for some strage reason they could only get it to happen once. They had no clue what is wrong so they reprogramed the tranny Again. They said this time it is fix and I have nothing to worry about. Well took the truck home, parked it and what a huge shock....It Happened again. So now I am with out my truck again. (4th time) This time the service writer and the "tranny tech" have no idea what is wrong. I need advise, What should be my next step. Should I try to let them do something again? Is there a number I can call to raise some Hell? Please help. I love my truck, I just don't want any more problems.
Thanks Everyone!

[mercman86]

hmm, i would be pretty pissed off by now too since you are there for the 4th time for the same problem! if they come back to you this time and say that they cant get it to act up just let them know that you're not leaving that dealer untill your truck has a NEW transmission!

[andy79]

Take it to a different dealer. Or to a tranny shop.

[SPELLY F150]

UPDATE: now since the dealer can not figure out what the H*ll is going on the with the tranny, they are now installing a "Black Box" of some sort that will try to capture the problem when it happens so they can try to fix it. They will not put a new tranny in until they try this...... :<

[High_Order1]

well -

there are some state and Federal laws that say if you are unable to use it for so long because of repeated repairs, or that if it has to go back so many times for the same problem, you can force the dealer to buy it back and offer you a different one or something similar to that.

Might be something to look into, but its' a time limited kinda thing.

-Shawn

[SPELLY F150]

Well the shop Forman called me this morning and stated that I am the cause of the problem. He said when I start the vehicle i have to wait at least 30 seconds before i put it into drive. I have never started a vehicle and waited to put he vehicle into drive. There is an internal leak somewhere to for the pressure to drop way down so waiting the 30 seconds or so will let it build back up. Does this sound right to anyone, it does not sound right to me. Then wouldn't that be stated somewhere in the manual somewhere because that is what FORD is saying to do. Should i start the Lemon Law process or just give up and wait the 30 seconds before i can leave my drive in the morning?????

[orng1]

It is not healthy for any engine or trans to be used without oil circulating through it. Wait a few seconds to let fluid go through it. Though it should still not go bad so soon, it will take time off of it's life but that new you shouldn't have any problems.

[Lead Head]

Yes it is a good idea to let the systems get oiled up and such before moving, but you should have no problem starting and going.

My dad has a 2003 GMC Envoy with the 4.2 I6 and an automatic, even when it was 0 degrees out, as soon as the engine turned over, he would put it in drive in start moving. 120k on it, and no problems yet.

The thing about the pressure dropping on start up sounds like BS to me. If there is an internal leak, then that would be a design flaw, and there is no way ford would let that pass. At the minimum they would incorporate programming into the computer to not let the vehicle move for 30 seconds.

Look through the manual, if it doesn't specifically state to wait 30 seconds before driving off, then it is not your fault.

[73f100shortbed]

It is a good idea to let a car/truck warm up for a minute or so in summer even a little longer in winter. Let everything circulate. 30 seconds does not seem like a long time to wait. Seems reasonable to me.

[F3Beam]

To me, it sounds like a problem that will only get worse over time.
No way should that be happening.

[freesplorer]

2001 explorer 113000 miles. 6cyl
Start it in the winter and 1 second later I drop in in gear ...no issues
Go start your lemon law suit.!!!

[Backin72]

I'm also calling BS on this one too. So what happens if, god forbid, you're being chased by someone wanting to mug you and you jump in your vehicle to get away. Are you supposed to wait 30 sec before you make your getaway? LMAO! What a crock. Call Ford directly.

[MCDT]

Ask this nimrod to show you in any paperwork or manual that was generated by Ford where it says to wait 30 seconds. I have had success with 1800lemonlaw. What a joke!

[vloney]

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TSB 08-4-16	4.6L AND 6R60 TRANSMISSION EQUIPPED VEHICLES ONLY - BUMP WHILE BRAKING - VARIOUS TRANSMISSION SHIFT QUALITY SYMPTOMS - VEHICLES BUILT BEFORE 11/28/2007
[************]Publication Date: February 19, 2008[/color]

FORD:	2006-2008 Explorer 2007-2008 Explorer Sport Trac
MERCURY:	2006-2008 Mountaineer

This article supersedes TSB 08-3-8 to update the Service Procedure. ISSUE:


Some 2006-2008 Explorer 4dr, Mountaineer and 2007-2008 Explorer Sport Trac vehicles equipped with a 4.6L engine, 6R60 transmission and built prior to 11/28/2007 may exhibit a bump feeling while braking to a stop less than 10 MPH (16 Km/h). Some 2006 Explorer, Mountaineer and 2007 Sport Trac vehicles built prior to 05/4/2006 may exhibit the following symptoms:

• Delayed engagements into Drive from Park, Neutral or Reverse.
• Hesitation upon tip-in after braking to a stop.

This TSB will diminish the incidence of the bump while braking at a stop and reduce tip-in hesitation while accelerating from a stop and improves the delayed engagements.
ACTION:

Follow the Service Procedure steps to reprogram the transmission control module (TCM) and the powertrain control module (PCM).
SERVICE PROCEDURE

NOTE:

VEHICLES REFERENCED ARE EQUIPPED WITH A PCM AND TCM, AND REQUIRE A COORDINATED REPROGRAMMING. THIS COORDINATED REPROGRAMMING PROCEDURE MUST BE FOLLOWED EXACTLY AS OUTLINED BY THE IDS. FAILURE TO FOLLOW THE KEY CYCLE PROCEDURE WITHOUT WAITING FOR THE IDS PROMPTS, WILL CAUSE THE COORDINATED REPROGRAMMING TO FAIL. THE PCM WILL BE UPDATED BUT THE TCM WILL NOT BE UPDATED AND THE NEW FILES WILL NOT BE INSTALLED. IT IS CRITICAL TO FOLLOW THE IDS PROMPTS.

NOTE:

SOME TIP-IN HESITATION IS NORMAL ON THIS TRANSMISSION IN ORDER TO PROVIDE SMOOTH OPERATION. THIS CALIBRATION UPDATE WILL HELP TO IMPROVE THE CONDITION. THE HARSH BUMP WHILE BRAKING TO A STOP WILL BE ELIMINATED. SEVERAL DAYS OF DRIVING MAY BE REQUIRED FOR THE TRANSMISSION TO FULLY ADAPT.

NOTE:

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REPLACE THE MECHATRONIC UNIT. MECHATRONIC REPAIR/REPLACEMENT IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR THIS ISSUE.

1. Install IDS/PDS or equivalent and ID the vehicle.
2. Update the PCM and TCM calibration using IDS release 52.8 and higher or 53.1 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2007.11 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at MOTORCRAFT® PARTS FOR FORD, LINCOLN OR MERCURY VEHICLES. Since the TCM cannot be independently reprogrammed, reprogram the PCM to ensure that engine and transmission calibrations are updated to the latest level simultaneously.
   

   NOTE:

   AUTHORIZATION DECAL NOT REQUIRED.

3. Clear TCM keep alive memory (KAM) and adaptive tables.
   1. Using IDS:
      1. Open Toolbox.
      2. Choose Powertrain.
      3. Choose Reset KAM.
      4. Then Choose TCM.
   2. Using PDS:
      1. Choose all Tests and Calibrations.
      2. Scroll down the menu and Choose Reset TCM KAM.
         

         NOTE:

         FOR PDS, RESET TCM KAM IS NOT THE SAME AS CLEAR TRANSMISSION ADAPTIVE TABLES, WHICH IS UNDER THE POWERTRAIN - TRANSMISSION MENU TREE.

         
         
         

         NOTE:

         UNHOOKING THE BATTERY WILL NOT CLEAR THE TCM KAM.

         
         
         

         NOTE:

         DO NOT CLEAR THE PCM KAM.

4. Verify that the transmission fluid temperature (TFT) PID is above 175° F (80° C). If it is not at 175° F (80° C), drive unit approximately 3 miles (5 Km) to reach temperature.
   

   NOTE:

   TFT MUST BE AT 175° F (80° C) OR ABOVE BEFORE PROCEEDING TO STEP 5.

5. Drive unit to perform adaptive shift strategy learn.
   1. Accelerate from rest with light throttle to 15 MPH (24 Km/h), remove foot from accelerator pedal.
   2. Brake very gently to a complete stop (allow at least six (6) seconds).
   3. Repeat steps (a-b) five (5) times in the dealership parking lot or similar setting.
   4. Continue to accelerate until you achieve 50 MPH (80 Km/h) or the 5-6 upshift.
   5. Accelerate from rest with light throttle. The 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 shifts must occur at engine speeds between 1300-1800 RPM.
   6. Continue to accelerate gently to 50 MPH (80 Km/h) or the 5-6 upshift.
   7. Brake gently to a complete stop and hold foot on brake for at least 10 seconds.
   8. Repeat Steps (e-f) a total of three (3) times.

[SPELLY F150]

Thanks For The Info Vloney. Do They Have More Than One Update? From What The Dealer Has Told Me, They Have Done This 3-4 Times Already. Well I Have Called Ford Direct And They Are Supposed To Get Back To Me This Week With Some Sort Of Final Answer. I Told Them I Want Them To Replace It. (either The Entire Truck Or The Tranny, Their Choice). I Will Just Have To Wait To See What They Have To Say. Does Anyone Smell A Lemon?