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Old 04-29-2008, 11:01 AM
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2010 Ford F-150 Diesel Mule Testing

Seems like we were all just getting excited about the 2009 F-150 and now we're already talking about the 2010 Ford F-150. Thought you FTE folks would be interested in the pic and info on the new 4.4-Liter V8 diesel testing. This is the same engine expected to show up in the Navigator, E-series vans and other Ford trucks. Pics and details at the link.
   
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The funniest thing about the article is that the exhaust tips where the #1 dead giveaway that it was a diesel. I wonder if anyone can tell by my exhaust tip that my truck has a 5.4?

Mentions nothing about actually hearing the truck run.
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That's hard to display in pictures, but we assume that's part of it. There are huge chunks of my hearing range missing after testing out the new F350 FX4, not to mention all the parts of my eardrum destroyed after working on my old MB diesel.
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The HP and TRQ numbers seem a little off. I just read my diesel tech mag and it states 325 hp and 520 TRQ but does not give any expected mpg's.
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The funniest thing about the article is that the exhaust tips where the #1 dead giveaway that it was a diesel. I wonder if anyone can tell by my exhaust tip that my truck has a 5.4?

Mentions nothing about actually hearing the truck run.
The exhaust tips have cooling fins, which are required to cool diesel exhaust coming out of the pipe...like the new Super Dutys. Thats how.
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The HP and TRQ numbers seem a little off. I just read my diesel tech mag and it states 325 hp and 520 TRQ but does not give any expected mpg's.
I think that the numbers are off because they wrongly assume that the leaked info from the sign picture (+9% power, +15% torque) at the Las Vegas dealer show referred to the 08 F150 5.4L, and not the 09 F150 5.4L (thats what I think that sign referred to).
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Sad thing is this engine is dead before it even gets to market unless diesel prices drop drastically and I don't see that happening. IMO
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well if the truck could get 25mpg it would still cost less to run then a gas that got say 18mpg (most probly get less than this), if you figure that diesel costs a dollar more then gas. of course that savings still might not be enough to offset the initial cost of a diesel truck
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I wonder why they are using the old body style of trucks to test it in rather than the new ones, since we all know what they look like.
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I wonder why they are using the old body style of trucks to test it in rather than the new ones, since we all know what they look like.

Probably to throw people off the trail with the heavy duty package. If you start putting out 09 f150 with 7 lug wheels people would speculate about the heavy duty pkg, but if you put out the 08's with those wheels, people may overlook them and forget the fact that the mule has a heavy duty pkg.
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Ok that makes sense, thanks.
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That's all well and good, 7 lug wheels with HD pkg, 4.4L deisel, what's next? Will the truck come with the same transmission as the F-250? Will it have the same heavy duty brakes as the SD? I doubt it. SO WHATS THE POINT? Is an F-150 HD going to be more cost effective than a SD?

Why does and F-150 light duty truck need to be so HD?

What is FMC really up to? What's coming in the future for the F-series line-up? Is the ranger really being eliminated or will it be re-named and rebuilt as a mid size truck?

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That's all well and good, 7 lug wheels with HD pkg, 4.4L deisel, what's next? Will the truck come with the same transmission as the F-250? Will it have the same heavy duty brakes as the SD? I doubt it. SO WHATS THE POINT? Is an F-150 HD going to be more cost effective than a SD?

Why does and F-150 light duty truck need to be so HD?

What is FMC really up to? What's coming in the future for the F-series line-up? Is the ranger really being eliminated or will it be re-named and rebuilt as a mid size truck?

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It doesn't have to be so heavy duty, it is an option (same as the deisel motor will be), you won't have to take it, but I bet it is required for the deisal. Two GVW's for the F-150 is not different than the current or previous generation F150's, except that now the option might be available in something other than a longbox truck.

I would prefer it myself, as I find myself needing somewhere in between a F150 and a superduty. I don't really want to bite the bullet on the super duty fuel economy though. A gas superduty crew cab weighs about 800lbs more than a F150 crew cab, and their goes your power and fuel economy.
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It doesn't have to be so heavy duty, it is an option (same as the deisel motor will be), you won't have to take it, but I bet it is required for the deisal. Two GVW's for the F-150 is not different than the current or previous generation F150's, except that now the option might be available in something other than a longbox truck.

I would prefer it myself, as I find myself needing somewhere in between a F150 and a superduty. I don't really want to bite the bullet on the super duty fuel economy though. A gas superduty crew cab weighs about 800lbs more than a F150 crew cab, and their goes your power and fuel economy.
Good point!! It's good to read common sense.

Now, if I had a crystal ball and the ability to predict Ford's future in the F-series segment, and given that the F-150 will soon be juiced up like a pro baseball player, I would say that the F-250 will stricken from super duty status and take on the same chassis as the F-150. I would then say that if you want a SD, it'll be an F-350 or heavier.

My next comment is, why can't we take an Expedition juice it up like a SD and give it the same work load characteristics as a superduty truck. The Excursion is long gone but we didn't fill that void, we've given back to GM.

Your thoughts? Comments?

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Diesel prices in Canada are usually within a few cents of gas. I've been waiting for this engine in a Navigator forever!!!!!!!!!!
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