$10/ gallon gas.

[elemint]

The talk of finding some huge reserves here and there is mostly propaganda to get investors to shell out money. What they fail to tell us is that the cost of the extraction of these reserves would make $300/barrel oil look cheap. There will always be some oil but there comes a time when it takes more energy to get it than it would produce.

[V8EXPLR]

Question on E85.

Why are E85 prices rising right along with gasoline & diesel prices? Is it the stations and/or manufacturers because they can get away with it or what?

From my understanding, E85 cost was supposed to stay basically flat when prices of gasoline/diesel went up. I remember reading that one plus for E85 was it should never rise near or above $3 a gallon for years to come, while gasoline/diesel have been speculated to hit the $4-$5 range for a while. I know it will rise with the price of gas, since it is 15% gasoline, but should not rise as quick or drastically. As I've watched it's price over the last month, E85 has risen right along with the rest of the fuels.

Now I do run E85 regularly. 1-2 months ago it was only $1.99-$2.09 per gallon while gasoline was up & down $2.69-$2.85 (85 octane) per gallon. Now that gasoline (85 octane) is at $3.49-$3.59 per gallon E85 has jumped to $2.59 per gallon (cost I paid on 4/30).

Just curious on if anyone has ideas why.

[tankrsc]

element, what makes you think it is propaganda? Is it because we don't get it out of the ground? Or maybe because thats what the media and some politicians say? Quite frankly you may be right. Then again I may be right and there is more oil in the ground than we think there is. The only way we will ever know is to go see what is there. Now there are folks out there who want to see if the oil is there. They are not asking the government to go get it. they are willing to spend their own money to find out. Then they will refine what they find and sell it to regain the money they spent to get it. The folks that keep up the "We are running out of oil" propaganda keep the pressure on to keep us from getting to what might be there. If they truely believe that none is there then why not let these "Big Oil" guys spend themselves out of business by blowing their money on non-productive ventures? Problem is it is easy to set back and be negative and tell everyone else what is wrong and how useless it is to try. Thank God we have people out there who are willing to take a chance and try to do something. I hope that someday we will find something that works better than oil. Mr. Ford designed his first car to run on Bio-fuel. He changed to Gas because it was more plentiful and made more power. At the time there were electric, steam, and several other forms of fuel but then as now gas is and was the most convenient. When a better product comes along it will be embraced by the nation.

[fruth04]

e85 requires oil to make... so price will go up in proportio, and isnt very cost effective to make to begin with.

if gas hits 10bucks a gallon the economy will hit rockbottom and poverty will probably set in like africa, because here in minnesota many of us drive 40-80miles to work everyday if not more, so you do the math on driving a 10mpg truck 160miles at a buck a mile, its cheaper to stay home and sell lemonade. trucks will become lawn ornaments.... if it clears 5 bucks a gallon the "big 3" will likely go under.... being they rely on truck sales and suvs...

some explain 300% inflation in 5 years..... the sh-t still comes out of the ground the same way and goes to the same old refineries.... its not like the earth sprung a leak and it all dumped in the ocean..

[04 FX4 Lineman]

Originally Posted by V8EXPLR

Question on E85.

Why are E85 prices rising right along with gasoline & diesel prices? Is it the stations and/or manufacturers because they can get away with it or what?

From my understanding, E85 cost was supposed to stay basically flat when prices of gasoline/diesel went up. I remember reading that one plus for E85 was it should never rise near or above $3 a gallon for years to come, while gasoline/diesel have been speculated to hit the $4-$5 range for a while. I know it will rise with the price of gas, since it is 15% gasoline, but should not rise as quick or drastically. As I've watched it's price over the last month, E85 has risen right along with the rest of the fuels.

Now I do run E85 regularly. 1-2 months ago it was only $1.99-$2.09 per gallon while gasoline was up & down $2.69-$2.85 (85 octane) per gallon. Now that gasoline (85 octane) is at $3.49-$3.59 per gallon E85 has jumped to $2.59 per gallon (cost I paid on 4/30).

Just curious on if anyone has ideas why.

I live in a small town in Wa. state we just got our first E85 fuel $2.99 reg UL is $3.80.What is your feeling on E85 as far as mileage and power how much did u loose???

[Ken Blythen]

Here in New Zealand we are already (in some areas) paying equivalent to $6.40/ US gallon . Rough, but not as bad as England & some of Europe. If the upward trend continues, daily life will under go significant change for a lot of people, especially coinciding with food price increases

[Fosters]

Originally Posted by tankrsc

Ok I'll start the firestorm on this one. There is no shortage of oil and probly won't be in the near future. They just discovered the bigest oil reserve in the country up in North Dakota. Supose to be 450billion barrles up there. Not to mention all the oil we have known about in CA and FL. Too bad the eviromentalist wont let us drill for it but even if we did they have killed new refineries 35 years ago so I reckon it doesn't matter. The refineries we have now are old and not as eficient as they could be but they are not allowed to build new one with more modern tech advances. I tell you what when Al Gore and the rest of these tree huggers start riding bikes or travleing in electric busses all over the country to tell me I am using too much gas I will sell all my vehicles and go green. If they move into houses that are the size of the average american and it is completely made from recycled materials and is energy neutral then they can talk to me about my power useage. Practice what you preach and folks will follow.

By the way has anyone noticed that everyone has quit complaining about Global Warming and are now calling it Climat Change? Maybe because the temp has been the same since 1998. When I was in school they were teaching that we were heading for the next Ice Age then it became Global Warming. Just watch wont be but a couple more years at most and we will be heading for the Ice Age again.

Heh, do a search for Al Gore and electricity bill... you'll be pretty amused. The dude paid like 30grand in one year on electricity... talk about "preserving energy".

If Global warming is so damn real, why was it snowing last week in MN?? spring is almost over dammit..

Al Gore may not have invented the internet, but he definitely made up Global Warming.

[fonefiddy]

In Northern Minnesoata, this has been the longest , coldest winter in 15 years.

They're saying this'll be the first year in over 20 years that a lot of the lakes will still have ice on them for the fishing opener, next weekend.

[compsec]

Expect the worst and you won't be disappointed !
That saying was drummed into me at an early age, it applies to this thread, in UK the fuel is now £1.15 per Litre and there are 4.54 litres per gallon which is sligthly larger than your US gallon.
Therefore the cost is £5.22 or $9.81. Now to run an F150 at 16 to the gallon costs a fortune.
3 years ago I decided to pay £2200 ($4136) to have a conversion to allow th truck to run on LPG (propane gas) now 100,000 miles on still running well, the cost of LPG is now £2.13 ($4) agallon. The cheapest way of running any vehicle in UK, or well below half petrol price. Is this not worth considering for US ?

[04 FX4 Lineman]

Originally Posted by compsec

Expect the worst and you won't be disappointed !
That saying was drummed into me at an early age, it applies to this thread, in UK the fuel is now £1.15 per Litre and there are 4.54 litres per gallon which is sligthly larger than your US gallon.
Therefore the cost is £5.22 or $9.81. Now to run an F150 at 16 to the gallon costs a fortune.
3 years ago I decided to pay £2200 ($4136) to have a conversion to allow th truck to run on LPG (propane gas) now 100,000 miles on still running well, the cost of LPG is now £2.13 ($4) agallon. The cheapest way of running any vehicle in UK, or well below half petrol price. Is this not worth considering for US ?

I am not sure where u got your math figures but 1 US liquid gal. is = to 3.785 liters

[poppie]

Originally Posted by micabeau1

Its not environmentalist. Florida(my home) relies on tourism. No tourist wants to sit on a beach and stare at oil rigs as far as the eye can see. I thank our legislatures in DC(Democrat and Republican) for fighting for this. Our economy would be hit hard so gas prices would go down a dime.

Oil is not the answer. New technology is.

I also live in Florida and in the panhandle at the state line you can see the gas burning off the oil/gas well's in Alabama,same thing all the way to texas,beach's all along the coast,beside's,a lot of the rig's are far out,over 20 mile's and you don't see them all,new technology????,what, a nuke fuel cell in your car,not a lot of choice's to get us from point a to z,oil is it for a long time.

[poppie]

Originally Posted by micabeau1

problem is if you let oil men like bush put a spiggot in the ground everywhere they see fit we will wake up 20 or 30 yrs from now with higher prices and still no new technology or infrastructure.

........(problem is if you let oil men like bush,)who's going to be your wipping boy after he's out of office in 9 months,thinking like that you will say Mc cane will raise beer price's as his wife has money in beer,small minded people who never look at the whole picture,world wide demand for oil and limit's on refineing and drilling is the issue along with speculator's and federal,state and local tax's,$120.00 crude at 42 gallons per barrel ='s $2.85 a gal in the middle east,now add on $0.50- $0.65 for local,state and the $0.18 federal tax and your at $3.35-$3.50 a gallon,with out the cost of refineing and shipping or the profit the guy on the corner get's selling the stuff and I left out the $0.12 profit the oil company make's on each gallon,the reason they posted such high profit's in the billion's of $$$$$$ is they sell a quzillion gallon's of the stuff,next time your stuck in rush hour traffic take a look around you and think about this going on coast to coast and boarder to boarder nation wide,then add all the car's in the 3'ed world country's that are now in the market(CHINA/INDIA) with money we sent over there buying "crap at WALMART", ECT, ,watch the show on cable Monday nite's called Americas port,A billion $$$$$$ a DAY come's through the LA port alone in import's,one huge ship had 4000 container's alone,they ship out on semi's alone 16,000 container's a day plus what they ship out on rail,that's a billion $$$$$$$ a day that could be made in America but people want low price's, alway's low price's and then put their neighbor out of a job,here's a link to back this up,copy & paste to your address bar and read the link, The Wal-Mart You Don't Know | Fast Company ,here's the 1'st paragraph,this article is dated from 2004,thing's have not improved to date!!!!!!
The Wal-Mart You Don't Know

By: Charles Fishman
The giant retailer's low prices often come with a high cost. Wal-Mart's relentless pressure can crush the companies it does business with and force them to send jobs overseas. Are we shopping our way straight to the unemployment line? ,MY RANT CONTUNE'S HERE, Bush did not cause any of this,American shopper's did!!!!,they had the highest paying job's for year's plus Benny's but never wanted to pay for the other guy's high paying job in product bought,shop cheep and now you see what has happened,the job's are gone and the money's oversea's and they are buying Steel,lumber,concret AND OIL compeating with us in the market driving price's ever higher,nice going folk's,ya did it to your self and I can say this couse I'm not running for office,telling the truth never got anyone elected,not all warm and fuzzy is it.

[Ed]

Our complete lack of leadership in Washington DC is largely to blame. If we only had a true president with a vision and some sack, in order to quit selling out the American manufacturer and American worker.

Sadly, our choices for 2008 is even worse. Too much selling out of America, trying to please illegal aliens, (By definition their very existence is that of being a lawbreaker, WTF is up with that?!) Coddling those who refuse to learn, read and write the offical American language (ENGLISH) it's a mess. Gas prices not withstanding, it goes much deeper, this problem. However, the #1 problem is not having a true American leader in the White House, and that's a shame.

When was the last time we saw President Bush sticking up for, looking on the assembly line, meeting with Ford Motor Company management, then with General Motors and Chrysler? It's not happening, and that is not acceptable.

[V8EXPLR]

Originally Posted by 04 FX4 Lineman

I live in a small town in Wa. state we just got our first E85 fuel $2.99 reg UL is $3.80.What is your feeling on E85 as far as mileage and power how much did u loose???

Attached is a link to another thread where I have stated the results I've received. It is post #28 (3rd from bottom of 2nd page). Now prices have increased slightly since this post on 4/25, but not significantly. It's kind of a long post, but sums up my experience.

Now I haven't noticed any power loss, actually I feel I get a better throttle response. Remember E85 is basically 105 octane, while gasoline varies from 85-93 octane.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/72...-crisis-2.html

[V8EXPLR]

Originally Posted by fonefiddy

In Northern Minnesoata, this has been the longest , coldest winter in 15 years.

They're saying this'll be the first year in over 20 years that a lot of the lakes will still have ice on them for the fishing opener, next weekend.

We got snow here in CO last week too! Went from a high of 76 on Weds. to a high of 43 on Thurs.

I listened to a camping/fishing broadcast on the radio last Sat. and it was stated many of the lakes here in CO are still frozen over and some won't be thawed for a while.

Now the last two winters we have received much more snow than normal and they have been significantly colder in comparison to the last 10-15 years. CO got so much snow this year some analysts are afraid of potential floods due to excess run off from the mountains this summer.