I gave up reading this thread on page four. "HHO" gas is a scam. Period. As an ASE certified Master Technician I've dealt with people trying to sell this idea to me for years now, and I have YET to see any credible proof that it actually works.
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These kinds of things, and the conspiracy theories that folks desperately want to believe have been around long before the '70s. See Fish Carburetor thread below. I remember a joke reference from long ago how the oil companies suppressed the invention of water powered vehicles. Sound familiar?
What actually did "work", sort of, was the J. C. Whitney catalog device that was a plate with little "propellers" that inserted between the carb and manifold. How it actually worked was to create a metered vacuum leak. Since virtually every pre-emission controlled car was tuned with an idle mixture set way too rich. The vacuum leak increased gas mileage, usually without any noticeable side effects. The little propellers did nothing but decrease peak hp slightly at full throttle.
There is no way to truly suppress inventions. If you buy the patent, it's still on record for reference BECAUSE IT'S A PATENT. If you shoot the inventor, others can carry on research because physics doesn't change.
US patents don't apply globally, and oil companies don't control everything. Other countries have scientists too, and there is such VAST profit potential from energy efficiency that they could simply tell the US to pound sand if it tried to suppress the information.
"Hi. I'm from SMEGCO and you are infringing on our IP. Stop."
(Cut to screaming SMEGCO lawyer being dragged off into an alley for disposal.)
Anything invented then broadcast via the internet with full details and released under GPL or Creative Commons or other relevant licenses is irrevocably public.
The thread that just won't die...........sigh..............
Put a stake in its heart! Then, boot anyone who mentions the subject.
That will kill it around here.
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i'm thinking of building a dry cell. just for fun. sticking it on a carb'd truck so i can tune it without having to get a chip or anything to fake out the censors. if it doesn't (or does) do any good for my gas mileage, i'll let everyone know. then this thread can finally die.
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i wouldn't buy one. i'd try and make my own. then i'd know how to mod it to the vehicle.
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77 F150 4x4 "Yellow Beast" 351m, NP435 65k miles
96 Ranger XLT "Rutherford" 2.3 i4, M5OD-R1 173k miles (RIP)
95 Geo Prizm (The Preo Gizm) 1.6 i4, auto 163k miles
ASE Certification in progress. GCC Auto Tech Associates degree also in progress.
pic taken during a mockup. check my album, it has been there since 04(the pic has been).
and it didn't work. niether did any of the 5 other designs that i helped my dad with. we tried them on 302's (fuel injected and carb'd), a 351w, a dodge 360, my highboys 360, and even my dads 6.9. I have seen them pull from 1 to 20 amps and yes, actually "bubbling" we tried everything from knife blades to cheese graters to steel wool as electrodes and tried plain water, adding baking soda, and adding battery acid.
my highboy saw an improvement, then closer inspection showed that it was just sucking water (water injection essentially)and it was only once, and nothing to write home about (don't even remember a number, just the situation)
my dad is a contractor for the usa today, and drove 350 miles a night at the time, so we had a good long consistent route, not counting weather (which we knew to disregard)
the most interesting was my dads 94 e150 that typically got 19mpg, running the system that drew 20A. said it went like a bat out of hell, drove like it had a 460. and at 11mpg, it drank fuel like it too.
not interesting in arguing, everybody else has done that just fine. but after seeing what the draw on the alternator did I come up with a device that uses FREE energy to produce electricity to MAKE your own HHO! I can include all hardware needed. It can be mounted anywhere on your vehicle! It will even REPLACE your alternator!
I think part of what’s going on here is mass hysteria. I've taken the time to read every single page of this thread, and it seems as though only a couple of people here have used this system and ''publicly'' claimed it to work, and the fact that its been posted on the internet without much proof other than a personal claim...Well its very questionable at the least.
Fluctuating gas prices are making everyone ''wish'' that there was a way to cheaply improve fuel efficiency by a great percentage, and the simple fact is there isn't! I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, but we have get real about this. If fuel efficiency is you're main goal then you're best bet is to buy a small car or maybe a nice motorcycle and if you could care less about fuel efficiency then do what I do and buy that F-150 of you're dreams and say F**k the goverment and F**k gas prices! These little HHO gimmicks won't work for 99% of people out there...And I'm very skeptical of the 1% that claims it does work for them.
I have a co-worker who is rigging an HHO system up to his Nissan Titan. I am expecting total failure from it...But in the very off chance that it works out for him...That MIGHT be enough to intrigue me into further reserch on the subject.
Scientific measurements as proof, end of story. Anecdotes aren't scientific proof. Precise, repeatable experiments are proof.
Anyone who makes a scientific claim they then refuse to prove using science is a deliberate scammer and a liar. Anyone who believes that claim without scientific proof needs to go get educated. Credulity is for chumps.
These little HHO gimmicks won't work for 99% of people out there...And I'm very skeptical of the 1% that claims it does work for them.
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These things can't and won't work for 100% of the people out there. Aside from mumbo-jumbo, not one person posted actual data and believable theory explaining how they work. The majority of testimonials come from people with with no more than a few posts, (many with just a single post) and that's a little suspicious, to say the least.
Oops, I think I need to take that 100% back: it should work just fine for those who sell these kits and plans, so your 99% may actually be correct.
The same people who drive sophisticated products of science and surf the internet using even more sophisticated products of science vehemently deny science when they have an emotional need for an outcome from a particular process. See also "astrology".
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