MPG's vs HP/TRQ
#46
It is all how you word it. I see what you are saying and everything, but I guess the question should be how much hp is needed. The real answer is much lower than most would think. Even if you dont want monster low gears, that is as long as your make some good torque #s. I think a 200 hp/400lb tq in a 1/2 ton would be great. I dont know the #s they are looking at, but I know the early psd is a great motor pulling heavy loads even with 3.55 rearends, so if a 1/2 ton had similar #s it would be a great little runner.
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#48
a diesel will get a bigger load moving than a gasser,if you have an equal hp gasser it will hold speed just as good as a diesle would,although the diesel will get a much bigger load moving that a gasser couldnt handle,after you are cruisin thats where the hp takes over
In practice, it might SEEM like diesels have the edge, because they do have more low-end grunt. It feels like they're not working as hard, because they are not turning as fast. People don't like to wind out gassers the way they would have to to get equivalent rear-wheel torque; they're afraid they're overworking the motor, or they just don't like the sound of it. But if they did, they'd find that the 250 HP gasser is just as capable as the 250 HP diesel.
Same power, different RPM, but geared differently to result in the same rear-wheel torque. That's all there is to it. Go back and look at the formula I posted before. There is no way around that. You can't get something for nothing.
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#51
i get what your saying, but a diesel engine is a better choice because they do put out more torque....stock,if you hopped up a gasser to match the torque of a diesel,the gasser would probably pull more because it would most likely have more hp,but you cant find a gasser that puts out the torque of a diesel from a dealer,and most people wouldnt want to spend all of that money for mods on their gasser,which is why people will most likely buy the diesel
#53
i get what your saying, but a diesel engine is a better choice because they do put out more torque....stock,if you hopped up a gasser to match the torque of a diesel,the gasser would probably pull more because it would most likely have more hp,but you cant find a gasser that puts out the torque of a diesel from a dealer,and most people wouldnt want to spend all of that money for mods on their gasser,which is why people will most likely buy the diesel
#54
i get what your saying, but a diesel engine is a better choice because they do put out more torque....stock,if you hopped up a gasser to match the torque of a diesel,the gasser would probably pull more because it would most likely have more hp,but you cant find a gasser that puts out the torque of a diesel from a dealer,and most people wouldnt want to spend all of that money for mods on their gasser,which is why people will most likely buy the diesel
#55
You guys are really missing the physics on the whole HP vs. Torque debate. Torque is a measure of rotational force. HP is a measurement of work performed--think in terms of torque applied over a period of time or energy used. In other words, HP has an additional factor of time included in its units.
A vehicle at a constant speed on the highway is at an equilibrium--the torque produced by the engine is matching the sum of the frictional driveline losses, wind resistance plus rolling resistance--which are all forces as well. HP is an indicator of how quickly the engine can apply its torque.
Two engines of the same max torque will be able to move the same maximum load. The one with the higher max horsepower will do it more quickly.
Diesels tend to be better at pulling because of the way the fuel burns--more slowly, so the force on the piston is applied longer, allowing for more overlap (or less gap) with the next cylinder that fires. Gasoline burns quickly, which is why it does better at higher engine speeds.
Jason
A vehicle at a constant speed on the highway is at an equilibrium--the torque produced by the engine is matching the sum of the frictional driveline losses, wind resistance plus rolling resistance--which are all forces as well. HP is an indicator of how quickly the engine can apply its torque.
Two engines of the same max torque will be able to move the same maximum load. The one with the higher max horsepower will do it more quickly.
Diesels tend to be better at pulling because of the way the fuel burns--more slowly, so the force on the piston is applied longer, allowing for more overlap (or less gap) with the next cylinder that fires. Gasoline burns quickly, which is why it does better at higher engine speeds.
Jason
#56
That is true.
#57
That is not necessarily true, unless they happen to make that same torque at the same speed (i.e., they have the same HP).
That is true.
Jason
#58
And when you say, "Ft-lbs is a measure of torque (rotational force, which includes distance)", what do you mean by "which includes distance"?
Originally Posted by KelVarnson
That is not necessarily true, unless they happen to make that same torque at the same speed (i.e., they have the same HP).
And based on your breaker bar vs. impact wrench analogy, it's clear that you understand that it takes more horsepower to apply a given force faster.
#59
I probably shouldn't have said, "which includes distance", because now that I re-read it, one could think that I was implying a travel distance, when what I was referring to was the radius of the torque.
And, yes, when I was speaking of getting the same maximum load moving with two identical-torque/different-HP engines, I mean all else being equal, the higher HP engine will move it faster.
I think we're pretty close to being on the same page here...
Jason
And, yes, when I was speaking of getting the same maximum load moving with two identical-torque/different-HP engines, I mean all else being equal, the higher HP engine will move it faster.
I think we're pretty close to being on the same page here...
Jason
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