I have to say I found my way here from most of you visting my web site. Thanks
But you must not be reading the details as just about every thing you have written about running WMO is wrong or wont work. And the filtering info is just way over kill. Before you start centrifuging wmo you have other issues and hurtles to jump over. Theres to much info to put down here so watch my blog and read it.
keep in mind every 5f in temp up or down completely changes if your truck will run fromm one day to another depending on your mix ratio. again read how were getting past this problem.
synthetics, gear oils, engine oils, hydrauilic fluids, atf , costco cooking oil, power transfomer oils, a gallon of your piss all mixed in to the tank will run just fine and not damage anything unless you ate asparagus. I have run straight synthetic on several tanks with no issues at all. keep in mind the combustion temps are way high and synthetic if you will do your home work is not al that special in its formualtion and is closer to magic than anything else as a few chemicals will make its or alter its working effect with litttle benifit to your engine. And yes i have a timken oil tester that is certified for oil testing as well as a engine dyno so dont give me that amsoil BS! really how many race cars have amsoil in them! I'm talking about real race teams not father and son running what they wer told is the best i mean teams like nascar or indy or F1 that test this stuff and blend there own. Atf will not red mark your fuel tank and the only oils you can run in the tank legally as far as tax goes is if you siphoned it out of your wifes truck and put it in yours. road tax and sales tax and fed taxes are all different. you'll se our govenor just signeed a bill that exempts us from the tax if we make our own fuel for private non comercial use. you may have this in your states now or soon if not send off the letters every day till you do. it will be years before the figure out how to check personal vehicles for actaull base stock of home made fuel and whats in it or not.
A little inside to making your truck work on wmo is to make it run on wvo. there is a lot to be learned i ahve spent thousands of dollars and more hours than i should have working out the facts from the BS. when i'm done i'll sell the notes in abook but for now if your seriuois read my blog it has every thing you need to save you so much time and effort.
PS if your in a warm state and its say above 70 f all the time just switch to a oil fileter for a fuel filter and use starting fluid if its hard to start and go run on 100% wmo. if you have a load on you 'll may see power isssues. if you do swicth to the diesle tank climb the hill and switch back and start blending the perfect pulling fuel with just standard diesel and wmo mixed in at the pump. you'll be amzed at what 10 or 20 % diesel will do on a hot day in wmo. when you get a system in place you be blown away how much power you can just get out of the wmo by its self. one step at time first play with it (it always starts on starting fluid) then later trubos, temp guages, compression raising etc tell it runs straight wmo like it was diesel.
and quit all that filtering did i mention that, use oil filters to filter it into the truck and oil filters for fuel filters on the truck. and never buy them get them at the local quik lube used for free. I know all you know all arm warriors just rolled your eyes back in your head but get off your lazy asses and go start cutting oil fileters apart and fuel filters there is nothing in them i have a crusher and a cutter i have cut more fileters apart than i can ever even start to count. if you need a oil fileter on your car you probably need a tow truck. and yes your oil comes out of your engine filtered i rad that post to c'mon guys why sabbatoge yourslef or buddies by making **** up you really have know idea about. Just trying to help out here since i can say every post here is wrong. but dont feel put out the whole internet is where you guys are i just want to see a few others at some time starting testing ideas to so i can cut down on some of it. Jeff Carry on gents sevtecexplorer.com
Before you start telling everybody on this thread to start spraying their trucks with starting fluid you should first tell them to unhook the glow plug controller so that they don't blow themselves to h***. And you should probably tell them that over time the use of starting fluid will lower the compression ratio to a point where it won't even run on diesel it also causes durability issues and i've personnally witnessed guys send the connecting rods through the side of the block with the stuff. As far as the other stuff goes you've spent the money and the time to perfect it so far be it for me to argue with you but I was a heavy equipment and truck mechanic for 15 years and I know that the crap in the used oil would plug the injector nozzles in our waste oil burning furnaces so i'll pass on putting it in my engines but thanks anyway.
It would appear to me that the money you spent to make these determinations was "pissed" away! As a veteran diesel mechanic and experienced pump rebuilder, I have no problem telling anyone here that most of your thread is BS.
First, any diesel mechanic will confirm that any water, or piss as you call it, will sooner or later start to blow the tips off of your injectors. The reson for this is simple-oil can be compressed, water cant. Therefore any water in the system that makes it to your injectors will have a fatal effect on them.
Second-fuel filter water separators are designed to remove the water as well as particulates to avoid these problems. If the engine makers could build a durable engine using oil filters for fuel filters, no doubt they would.
Three. Not filtering your used oil or any fuel for that matter before attempting to burn it in a $55,000. vehicle is positively the stupidist thing I have ever heard. As I mentioned in mt previous comments, injectors are now built to tolerances that the average home mechanic couldnt even begin to measure, so why in the world would you tell anyone that they are wasting their time filtering used oil before using it for fuel?
Four. And this is to all of you-DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT STARTING YOUR ENGINES WITH ETHER!!!!!!! If IH wanted these engines started with ether they would be so equipped! If your glow plugs wont start the engine, find the problem, repair it and drive it. But until you do-DONT! The suggestion that these engines be started on ether, especially to someone who doesnt know better can be suicide for them as well as their engine!
Didnt mean to lose it on this one guys but that article is "BS" from start to finish!
Breech,
You're one of the Californians we NEED to come up here to Oregon. Then send some BACK that are up here screwing up our state even more than it already was. They come up here (and Washington, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming) to "escape" California's draconian laws and then turn our states into the California they left.
Well thank you. If I had the opportunity to get up there I'd seize it in a heartbeat. I know I won't be here much longer, it's just a matter of where to go. I have friends in New Mexico, Texas, and Oklahoma that all said they'd help me get established. The majority of my family resides in West Virginia so that could be an option as well. I have some debt that needs to be paid down and then I will join the California exodus.
Cost of living is still fairly high here so I wouldn't expect the migration to stop anytime soon. It's unfortunate that they can't leave their mindset behind when they leave.
On the WMO subject, I still have to point to the fact that the vapors from the CDR tend to be burned in the rear cylinders of the engine.
And the CDR vapors have been attributed to stretching head bolts on the 6.9 engine from the higher BTU content of motor oil.
Cheaper I hear what you are saying, but something I never mentioned above was all the equipment, equipment upkeep, land to park the equipment, shops to repair the equipment and fuel to run the equipment which is over and above any maintenance or construction costs.
And yes, materials times 2 or 2.5 is a realistic number to use on any construction project for the final cost.
Repave, probably 20% of the total roads.
Repair bridges, probably 20 withing 10 miles of my house are under reconstruction right now.
And 3 bridges are being replaced completely.
Far from perfect, but much better than nothing at all.
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First, I want to say, watercatwn6536, if you want me to give ANY credence to anything you have to say, you need to completely change your style. Typing rambling run-on sentences, without even making an effort at correct punctuation or capitalization, not only makes your writing hard to read, it gives a negative impression of your level of education and even intelligence. Add that to the statement that it isn't necessary to filter the oil at all, and recommending the use of ether, and I have little regard for the veracity of much of anything you said.
Dave, while it is true that oil vapor concentrating in the two rear cylinders has been associated with stretched head bolts, that is totally different than burning WMO as fuel. Why? Because 1) the oil from blowby vapor is NOT getting evenly distributed to all 8 cylinders - it is getting concentrated in the back 2 cylinders and that means they are heating more than the other 6, and 2) the oil from blowby vapor is EXTRA un-metered fuel being added to those two cylinders, NOT part of the metered fuel supply from the engine's fuel distribution system.
It isn't the fact that the fuel is WMO that stretches the head bolts, it is the OVER fueling and excessive/uneven heating of only two cylinders that is stretching the head bolts.
Is this head bolt thing only in 6.9s or 7.3 NA and 7.3 Turbo also?
One more thing I forgot. My cousin works for Morton, yes the salt people, the also make "road/hwy. line sprayers" and the paint. I asked him why they don't make EXTREMELY long lasting paint for the roads. He said the paint has definitely improved and they test stuff all the time but the Feds. and State have been suspiciously uninterested in it generally, they almost have to force new concepts on them. But that might be because they are forced by some regulation to repaint the lines anyway. If that's the case they need to change the regulations to become more efficient. Isn't it a no-brainer?
Now this really torques my shorts! How come everytime a road/hwy./street gets paved there is invariably someone that comes along and digs up some sewer/waterline etc. right down or across it and then leaves "speedbumps for the rest of us! Maybe this only happens in Orygun but I doubt it.
CheaperJeeper, thanks for the info on WA. biodeiesel tax. And do you know if WA. or OR. have the "coppers" out looking for people running RED DIESEL...... and if you live in Washinton and work in Oregon, you pay OR. state tax.........CAN YOU SAY TAXATION WITH OUT REPRESENTAION
I'm not sure which agency does it (in Oregon) but I've "heard" of check points, never actually seen one. I do know they have checked tanks at rodeos and livestock auctions etc. I've never been checked but I know if I had some "red" diesel in my tank I would be! I have put "off-road" diesel in my bed tank for legitimate tractor use and had to sighn a paper of some kind at the station. The diesel was std. but w/o the hwy tax (no dye).
[quote=Dodge/Cummins;6064436]I'm not sure which agency does it (in Oregon) but I've "heard" of check points, never actually seen one. I do know they have checked tanks at rodeos and livestock auctions etc. I've never been checked but I know if I had some "red" diesel in my tank I would be![quote]
DITTO!
I'm not sure which agency does it (in Oregon) but I've "heard" of check points, never actually seen one. I do know they have checked tanks at rodeos and livestock auctions etc. I've never been checked but I know if I had some "red" diesel in my tank I would be!
Karl Keicher,
' You get that bull in Wisconsin? Didn't know you guys had any Elk. Or go out of state? Love Elk hunting! Only ever got a 7X7 and a spike in 18 years of trying. Not complaining though!
As to Who is looking for red fuel it's the Internal Revenue Service. We get Them on I70 every Wheat harvest. If They see a big truck to far from home with a Farm tag He'll get dipped. One year They just set up at the grain elevator and dipped all the tanks!! Yes it is very expensive to get caught They come up with what They think You drive a year and back charge like three years of road tax.
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2000 F250 7.3 CrewCab, 1986 F250 6.9 SuperCab
1967 F350 6.9 Banks Turbo GV overdrive
57 County Sedan, Me and Fairlane's, 57 Fairlane Blown 460
Son's 1974 F100 428CJ soon to get a 6.9 Diesel
2000GT ,1990 LX 514ci
I have to say I found my way here from most of you visting my web site. Thanks
But you must not be reading the details as just about every thing you have written about running WMO is wrong or wont work. And the filtering info is just way over kill. Before you start centrifuging wmo you have other issues and hurtles to jump over. Theres to much info to put down here so watch my blog and read it.
keep in mind every 5f in temp up or down completely changes if your truck will run fromm one day to another depending on your mix ratio. again read how were getting past this problem.
synthetics, gear oils, engine oils, hydrauilic fluids, atf , costco cooking oil, power transfomer oils, a gallon of your piss all mixed in to the tank will run just fine and not damage anything unless you ate asparagus. I have run straight synthetic on several tanks with no issues at all. keep in mind the combustion temps are way high and synthetic if you will do your home work is not al that special in its formualtion and is closer to magic than anything else as a few chemicals will make its or alter its working effect with litttle benifit to your engine. And yes i have a timken oil tester that is certified for oil testing as well as a engine dyno so dont give me that amsoil BS! really how many race cars have amsoil in them! I'm talking about real race teams not father and son running what they wer told is the best i mean teams like nascar or indy or F1 that test this stuff and blend there own. Atf will not red mark your fuel tank and the only oils you can run in the tank legally as far as tax goes is if you siphoned it out of your wifes truck and put it in yours. road tax and sales tax and fed taxes are all different. you'll se our govenor just signeed a bill that exempts us from the tax if we make our own fuel for private non comercial use. you may have this in your states now or soon if not send off the letters every day till you do. it will be years before the figure out how to check personal vehicles for actaull base stock of home made fuel and whats in it or not.
A little inside to making your truck work on wmo is to make it run on wvo. there is a lot to be learned i ahve spent thousands of dollars and more hours than i should have working out the facts from the BS. when i'm done i'll sell the notes in abook but for now if your seriuois read my blog it has every thing you need to save you so much time and effort.
PS if your in a warm state and its say above 70 f all the time just switch to a oil fileter for a fuel filter and use starting fluid if its hard to start and go run on 100% wmo. if you have a load on you 'll may see power isssues. if you do swicth to the diesle tank climb the hill and switch back and start blending the perfect pulling fuel with just standard diesel and wmo mixed in at the pump. you'll be amzed at what 10 or 20 % diesel will do on a hot day in wmo. when you get a system in place you be blown away how much power you can just get out of the wmo by its self. one step at time first play with it (it always starts on starting fluid) then later trubos, temp guages, compression raising etc tell it runs straight wmo like it was diesel.
and quit all that filtering did i mention that, use oil filters to filter it into the truck and oil filters for fuel filters on the truck. and never buy them get them at the local quik lube used for free. I know all you know all arm warriors just rolled your eyes back in your head but get off your lazy asses and go start cutting oil fileters apart and fuel filters there is nothing in them i have a crusher and a cutter i have cut more fileters apart than i can ever even start to count. if you need a oil fileter on your car you probably need a tow truck. and yes your oil comes out of your engine filtered i rad that post to c'mon guys why sabbatoge yourslef or buddies by making **** up you really have know idea about. Just trying to help out here since i can say every post here is wrong. but dont feel put out the whole internet is where you guys are i just want to see a few others at some time starting testing ideas to so i can cut down on some of it. Jeff Carry on gents sevtecexplorer.com
This has got to be THE most idiotic post I've ever seen on FTE..............
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