Ford needs the engine to run like a gasser, and the ford parts and programming is what causes the problematic behavior.
Nope, international versions of the 6.0 also have had the head bolt problem even though they are pulling in less horsepower then with the Ford programming.
Wow, I like how a forum designed to talk about a new 6.7L Ford Diesel engine has turned out to be a pissing contest over what "old" Ford motors are better. This thing has went from light duty car and truck engines (5.0, 5.8, 4.6, 5.4) to a dispute over the Powerstroke lineup (7.3, 6.0, 6.4). Personally I think every one of these motors are good in their own way, some have advantages over the others and such but they are still good running, long lasting motors. What is the 6.7L anyway, maybe we can get back to the topic, are their any numbers released on it yet?
What is the 6.7L anyway, maybe we can get back to the topic, are their any numbers released on it yet?
Unfortunately, until you have something out in the public to where people can buy it, this is what's going to happen because all people have is speculation until something finally shows up to actually review.
Wow, I like how a forum designed to talk about a new 6.7L Ford Diesel engine has turned out to be a pissing contest over what "old" Ford motors are better. This thing has went from light duty car and truck engines (5.0, 5.8, 4.6, 5.4) to a dispute over the Powerstroke lineup (7.3, 6.0, 6.4). Personally I think every one of these motors are good in their own way, some have advantages over the others and such but they are still good running, long lasting motors. What is the 6.7L anyway, maybe we can get back to the topic, are their any numbers released on it yet?
Welcome to a forum. I don't think any thread actually stays 100% on topic.
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The engine design could have been bored stroked, different intake, heads etc....Those 5.0 and 5.8 engine blocks were very durable and could have been retained and upgraded with better hp and torque and mpgs
Those 5.0 blocks weren't half as durable as the Modular blocks, FYI.
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The Lightning 5.8L with the tubular GT40 intake, GT40 heads, a camshaft out of one of the marine crate engines made less horsepower AND torque than a run-of-the-mill 1999+ 5.4 2V.
if your compareing the gen 1 lightning to the gen 2 lightning, OF COURSE THE 5.4 will have more hp/tq. its got a blower... if you put a plower ona 5.8, you'll have more power then the 5.4, havnt you heard no replacement for dispalcement. haha make them equal and it will prove then old school windsor will be better. how come the 5.0 and 5.8 stangs are runnin faster times then 4.6's and 5.4's?
Enough with the gas motors in the desiel forum... k? As for ford making their own desiel, i hope it actually happens... it would be a good time to show waht ford really is made of if they can produce thier own block and run with the cummins/duramax's out there in the desiel world.
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if your compareing the gen 1 lightning to the gen 2 lightning, OF COURSE THE 5.4 will have more hp/tq. its got a blower... if you put a plower ona 5.8, you'll have more power then the 5.4, havnt you heard no replacement for dispalcement. haha make them equal and it will prove then old school windsor will be better.
Obviously I'm not comparing the gen 1 Lightning to the gen 2, since the gen 2 never came with a 5.8.
The Gen 1 Lightning had a tubular GT40 intake, GT40 heads, and a more aggressive marine cam and still made less horsepower and torque that the run-of-the-mill PI 5.4.
Put a blower on a stock non-GT40 5.8, and it's still a turd.
Put a blower running 10 psi on a stock Gen.1 Lightning 5.8 engine, and it still makes less horsepower to the wheels than my 4.6 4V with stock H/C/I.
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how come the 5.0 and 5.8 stangs are runnin faster times then 4.6's and 5.4's?
They aren't.
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Enough with the gas motors in the desiel forum... k? As for ford making their own desiel, i hope it actually happens...
It's happening, 100% set in stone. Built in Chihuahua, Mexico, 4V-per-cylinder, direct injection, urea injection, TT.
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it would be a good time to show waht ford really is made of if they can produce thier own block and run with the cummins/duramax's out there in the desiel world.
Wow, I like how a forum designed to talk about a new 6.7L Ford Diesel engine has turned out to be a pissing contest over what "old" Ford motors are better. This thing has went from light duty car and truck engines (5.0, 5.8, 4.6, 5.4) to a dispute over the Powerstroke lineup (7.3, 6.0, 6.4). Personally I think every one of these motors are good in their own way, some have advantages over the others and such but they are still good running, long lasting motors. What is the 6.7L anyway, maybe we can get back to the topic, are their any numbers released on it yet?
i saw 400hp/3500 and 700/16 or 1800 rmps somewhere
I never had a 7.3 but some friends have them. They appear to be pretty reliable. I have a 6.0 thats been problematic, but with the ARP's, EGR cooler exhaust gas blocker, and custom tuning it runs very well now - in a more refined and way more powerful way than any of my friends' tuned 7.3 engines do. Would I ever trade my 6.0 for a 7.3? Never! The 7.3 is just getting dated in refinement but the guys who love them are justified in doing so because they make some reliable power. The 2008 with the 6.4 makes mine feel like an old clunker in the same way my 2003 does to the previous years with the 7.3.
Back to the thread - I hope the new engine works well. The Dmax appears to have the edge in terms of mileage and reliability for now. I have no experience with the new Dodge diesel 6.7 offering.
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I look forward to Ford designing there own diesel. If nothing else, they'll have to be much more accountable for the way it performs. By the time I'm ready to trade in my 6.0, I hope Ford has this engine all worked out.
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I never had a 7.3 but some friends have them. They appear to be pretty reliable. I have a 6.0 thats been problematic, but with the ARP's, EGR cooler exhaust gas blocker, and custom tuning it runs very well now - in a more refined and way more powerful way than any of my friends' tuned 7.3 engines do. Would I ever trade my 6.0 for a 7.3? Never! The 7.3 is just getting dated in refinement but the guys who love them are justified in doing so because they make some reliable power. The 2008 with the 6.4 makes mine feel like an old clunker in the same way my 2003 does to the previous years with the 7.3.
Back to the thread - I hope the new engine works well. The Dmax appears to have the edge in terms of mileage and reliability for now. I have no experience with the new Dodge diesel 6.7 offering.
If you do a several thousand dollars of work and totally blow the warranty, the 6.0 can put out crazy power and be pretty reliable, but it still can't do all the things that it was meant to do. It doesn't have pilot injection like the early 03s and call me crazy, but I'm sick of diesel clatter. The turbo lag seems really bad as well considering that the VGT turbo that caused countless problems was supposed to really help with lag.
The 6.4 is a really sweet engine. The numbers that the tuners are putting out on the stock drivetrain are insane.
I hope that the 6.7 gets the peak torque back down to ~1600RPM. When you've only got 3500-4000RPM to play with, 2000 is getting up there for an engine that is supposed to have power down low.
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i read in autotrader that the 6.4 only gets 10mpg..... is this true? i thought my 6.9 gettin 13.7 was bad. I know nothing about the 6.4 i just wondered if that was true
i read in autotrader that the 6.4 only gets 10mpg..... is this true?
I have heard of some getting 12 and maybe a few tenths more then 12, but 12 seems to be it's high point for a stock 6.4. I don't know what they are getting for those that have removed the dpf and all the other epa "stuff".
Ford and International have not been playing well together lately. The 6.4 liter V8 is not going away, it just may not be found between the fenders of a SuperDuty in the future.
IMO, this is the case.
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I have heard of some getting 12 and maybe a few tenths more then 12, but 12 seems to be it's high point for a stock 6.4. I don't know what they are getting for those that have removed the dpf and all the other epa "JUNK".
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