MPG shouldnt be an issue, people just need to stop using trucks as family cars and as haulers for things, and the ones that do use them as family haulers need to shut up about mpg... i use myne for everyday driving and i dont care about the mpg.. it is what it is... go get a damn hybrid...
MPG is an issue. It seems as though you must be one of Bill Gates' relatives to "not care about the MPG"...if you have that much excess money, I can give you a mailing address to which you can send a check.
People *are* going to phase out using giant trucks as family haulers, and that will help dig a grave for Ford and the other domestic auto makers unless they have sensible high mpg vehicles available. I have spent many years of my life driving 10 mpg musclecars and 12 mpg vans for my everyday vehicles, but ain't gonna do that any more with $3.50 gas prices and a kid to get thru college.
Again, let me know if you have some extra money to send my way...
Alot of news is released at auto shows, I doubt the Ford rep, not a salesman, was giving out false figures, 310 is probably right. If it was a salesman at a dealership I would not trust the source.
Ford also isn't going to release its hp numbers through one rep at one auto show....if that was the number ford would have it all over the website already....that rep was either on crack or its a lie...
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I have drove semis with 225hp-275 hp. They can pull 80k down the road and get 5mpg. Why does a 7000lb pickup need more than 200hp. It would interest me more if they had 160hp, 400lbft tourque and got 30mpg.
because we don't have 2 speed rear ends giving us 12 gears total, and we need to be able to merge in traffic with a load in such a way that it won't be a hazard to others... And if these trucks were to get 5mpg, this forum would be overflooded with mpg whiners, and then shut down by treehuggers.
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If you want to go fast, get a fast car.
If you want MPG, get an econo box.
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I have a couple 4-cyl cars in addition to my Ford E150 and they do see most of my mileage lately...it's a joy getting 30 mpg while driving 80 mph and 25+ mpg at 90...and as the saying goes, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than it is to drive a fast car slow (and I used to have a number of fast cars, including a 12 second Hemi Cuda and a couple Corvettes, between 20 and 35 years ago now).
Trucks are just pretty boring to drive no matter what
Not totally a tree-hugger, but I try to hold on to my wallet pretty tight...and maybe save some gas for my kid, who's also a car freak...
Ford also isn't going to release its hp numbers through one rep at one auto show....if that was the number ford would have it all over the website already....that rep was either on crack or its a lie...
Have you ever been to a real Auto show? Their booths are heavily sponsored by the manufacturers and Ford is not going to have their own "Representative" giving out bs numbers. They are much closer to the source than any dealership in the country. One of a kind concept vehicles are often featured as well, along with their flagship products such as the Ford GT (in the past). Even magazines such as Motor Trend release articles based off of information released at International Auto Shows.
But you're right, since you can't read it on the internet it can't be true. LOL
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Have you ever been to a real Auto show? Their booths are heavily sponsored by the manufacturers and Ford is not going to have their own "Representative" giving out bs numbers. They are much closer to the source than any dealership in the country. One of a kind concept vehicles are often featured as well, along with their flagship products such as the Ford GT (in the past). Even magazines such as Motor Trend release articles based off of information released at International Auto Shows.
But you're right, since you can't read it on the internet it can't be true. LOL
I go to the chicago auto show EVERY year.....and do you really think they'd only let one rep release numbers to a few people at the show?
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I have drove semis with 225hp-275 hp. They can pull 80k down the road and get 5mpg. Why does a 7000lb pickup need more than 200hp. It would interest me more if they had 160hp, 400lbft tourque and got 30mpg.
Thank you for bringing that up. Diesel locomotives can also get excellent fuel economy for their size and weight. Why can't this 50 year old technology get scaled down to fit a light truck?
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I'd rather see 200hp, 450lb/ft of torque too. I'm liking my 300hp, 365lb/ft of torque F150 right now. It moves my trailer, my boat, and a ****load of rock no problem.
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Thank you for bringing that up. Diesel locomotives can also get excellent fuel economy for their size and weight. Why can't this 50 year old technology get scaled down to fit a light truck?
one of the many reasons is because diesel locomotives have metal wheels riding on metal tracks. there's a LOT of rolling resistance in a tire that's soft to dampen every pothole in the road. Try runflat tires once... you'll get better mpg, nowhere near a locomotive indeed, but you'll see what I mean
and if you've seen locomotives, you'd know how ridiculously slow they accelerate, not something that is practical. They also don't stop and go very often... they just go. look at a hybrid prius, which is a (bad) implementation of a very similar technology, save for diesel instead. think you can pull anything with a prius? or get anywhere on time for that matter?
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Ford also isn't going to release its hp numbers through one rep at one auto show....if that was the number ford would have it all over the website already....that rep was either on crack or its a lie...
Ford is not going to reveal the horsepower early. If they did so, it would give the competition an opportunity to "adjust" and tweak their computer to make their horsepower slightly more (if Ford's was more) to maintain or gain bragging rights. It's like with the tow ratings, it seems the last to announce has the highest number regardless whether the vehicle changed or not.
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Have you ever been to a real Auto show? Their booths are heavily sponsored by the manufacturers and Ford is not going to have their own "Representative" giving out bs numbers. They are much closer to the source than any dealership in the country. One of a kind concept vehicles are often featured as well, along with their flagship products such as the Ford GT (in the past). Even magazines such as Motor Trend release articles based off of information released at International Auto Shows.
But you're right, since you can't read it on the internet it can't be true. LOL
There are maybe a handful of guys who know *something* about the product, but any real information is carefully provided in press kits that are carefully prepared with only the data that the mfr wants to give out. And a CD with official press photos (used to be glossy 8x10's and color slides). And the gorgeous women know their script and not a lot more than that... You're dreaming if you think the mfrs have real "booths" where people know a lot of information.
This comes from my having press credentials at the Detroit International Show, about 10 miles from Ford world HQ, for a number of years. Assuming that counts as a "real" show...where are you at?
My best source of info is from Ford engineer buds, but don't have any working in V8 powertrain at this point. Most of them are retired now anyway...
think you can pull anything with a prius? or get anywhere on time for that matter?
Excuse me, but a Prius can do 0-60 in about 10 seconds. Prolly about the same as a 4.6 in a 4x2 pickup, or a 5.4 in a 4x4....
Granted the Prius won't pull anything, but especially if you throw in a few corners, and the need to parallel park it when you get there, I'd say you'd be much more likely to be late in a gargantuan pickup, waiting for the tugs to help you park.
I'm more of a 4 cylinder, 5-speed Escape kind of guy, though. I don't want all the crazy technology, and I enjoy shifting.
the ones that do use them as family haulers need to shut up about mpg... ... go get a damn hybrid...
Or get two hybrids....as long as they are Fords.
How about a compromise? People who use their trucks as family haulers quit b*tching about mpg and the people who use their trucks as toys quit b*tching about the high price of gas....
What I'd like to see in the '09 lineup? A stripped down barebones truck like they used to make. An XL with no bells and whistles for those of us who want a truck to use as a truck and not have leather seats, pw, pl, A/C, etc....
What about us people that sue our trucks for work? We spend 4-8 hrs a day in them. Some weeks I drive 1000 miles. I want a truck that has an 8'box, is fairly comfortable, and gets 25 MPG.
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